The only people who believe that wait times would be worse under a public health care system are people who don't currently need to access health care under a private health care system. I'm an American who unfortunately needs to see specialists relatively frequently and the wait times are already atrocious.
this post was submitted on 04 Nov 2023
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It’s worse than you think
It’s government funded private care and at least in Ontario there isn’t any oversight or accountability allowed for private centres
See here the problem is when any kind of healthcare conversation starts in Canada the US always gets brought up as a sledgehammer to shutdown any further discussion. I live in the US and nobody thinks the US system is the solution for anything. But there are dozens of working examples in Europe and Asia that are worth learning from. Canadians need to look beyond this continent.
Well, if you were a billionaire with private doctors and access to preferred care then you would be way better off than someone in Canada, ergo the American system is better.
That's the only performance based argument in favor of privatized care that I can think of.
I'm in Quebec, it's 12 to 18 months to see a specialist...
Wildly varies based on your specific health profile, and above all, what kind of specialist.
And the perceived urgency of your medical issue.
The fuck out of here with private healthcare
Private health care opens -> Private offices offer better hours and/or better pay -> Doctors and nurses jump ship because everyone has bills to pay -> Pubic offices get even farther behind.
Canada should be un-private-ing EVERY part of healthcare, not just the paying part. OHIP style where the govt. sets prices and pays for care but hospitals and doctors offices have to make enough to keep their lights on AND provide health care (and line pockets because private) is just stupid.
Plus private only offers better until public goes to shit, then private does whatever the fuck they want, which is prioritize the wealthy who will pay the most. Profits!
See : USA
The only people who think that private health care in the USA is better than public in Canada are people who have never had to deal with private insurance. It is expensive, wait times are still long, you get nickled and dimed for every little thing to inflate the bill, CoPays, Out-of-Network, your primary care physician/hospital/ambulance/anesthesiologist might not take your insurance.
It is an unlit maze of bullshit and the insurance company does not care if you get lost forever.
I'd love it if they did that to telecoms too, everything is so expensive. cost of living is quickly outweighing the benefits.
The benefits ... of living?
That's pretty dire.
right?
I'm an American expat, and lemme tell you, I wouldn't care if it did shorten wait times. Fund the doctors whatever you gotta to keep it all public and free. Also, add dentists thanks.
Also, add dentists thanks.
The NDP are trying.
Obviously, if our tax dollars are going to private care that costs more then there is less funding for the cheaper public system and less over all to spread out
But it will make more money for our corporate overlords and their priesthood of investors.
This isn't about health care or taking care of people .... it's always about the religion of money.
Praise be.
Deja vu
As an American who has waited a full workday in an emergency room for the privilege to then get a mystery bill that seems to be the product of a random number generator, don't privatize your healthcare.
To me the entire article seems to be establishment propaganda that tries to convince people that the current system is working fine and we just need to dump more money in it, which is not a real solution as we don't have infinite money. Keep in mind a reform doesn't mean we automatically turns into the US overnight. It might not even include any private component at all. But any reform that cuts waste will impact the various interest groups benefiting from the waste and inefficiencies in the current system and that seems to be what is article is defending against.