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[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Once again, Lemmy proving that tunnel vision and framing Every.Single.Issue through class struggle exclusively betrays a fundamental sense of empathy and understanding of any other topic whatsoever

I get it. You guys are experts on leninist theory. There are other issues happening concurrently. We can work to solve class inequality without dismissing the struggle of women or those faced by minorities. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Tin hat on: I am starting to think this dismissive strategy is intentional. There feels like an undercurrent of self sabotage intended to dilute the efforts of building a movement around class consciousness by deliberately undermining others struggles. The intended goal of this self sabotage is to never have to address concrete issues. It seems that as long as we remain in the realm of the abstract, we can keep the discourse aloof and disconnected from the real effects of what si happening through action. I can't prove this of course. The more likely reality is Lemmy is overwhelmingly men, and men in tech. Their frame of reference is... Not the greatest when it comes gender issues

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Tin hat contd: in other words, by keeping the discourse in the abstract birds eye view of theory and never addressing concrete issues (such as gender inequality), the conversation can self replicate endlessly without an exit path towards actionable items.

Tin hat off

[–] cockmushroom@reddthat.com 7 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Even the fact that the only associate behind bars is a woman should tell you something

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 3 points 4 hours ago

Exactly. She deserves jail but so do a lot of other people

[–] Pman@lemmy.org 1 points 4 hours ago

Well the other one who was behind bars was a Jew who either committed suicide very suspiciously, after an attempted strangulation by a corrupt cop who was his cell mate on murder charges, or got suicided whenit was inconvenient for him to exist for the pedo in chief among many others. So of the two arrests both were the procurers and monsters (as well as the most disposable on a social level), but the clients conveniently never knew the guy and the files are lying.

[–] liuther9@lemmy.world -4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lots of girls make career exactly by selling nudes lol. Pretty funny

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Are you saying that you don't understand the concept of "consent", or that you find it ironic that while erotica/porn exists, some women's lives can be ruined by their nudes being leaked?

[–] liuther9@lemmy.world -1 points 3 hours ago

Are you pretending or do you really think that some mens lives can not be ruined by nude leaks? There is a long list of women whos nudes got leaked without consent and nothing happened to them.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, this isn't so much about men/women, as it is about money. Like there was a story on here recently about the connection to Ariane Rothschild, and how she basically introduced him to all the power people / helped establish his honey trap -- story claimed her name showed up like 12k times in the files, but little/nothing's happened. Her name is basically verboten in all media.... because she's stupid rich. And Ghislaine is currently alive in a min security prison, with a dog -- while Epstein was killed. So, like in terms of the 'main people' perpetrating the crime, the guy in the couple got killed, the woman got a dog.

At least the rich men are getting named and semi shamed, like Gates needing to eat crow for fuckin on the island and passing an STD to his then wife.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

It's not about men/women because women are helping men make victims of little girls and are getting awayt with it. Did I get that right?

Yes there's a class element, they prey on girls without the material means to fight back - but that doesn't negate the sexism, it just reinforces it

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

The image that was posted is literally arguing that "Women who have their photos leaked lose careers", but "Powerful men who can be linked to epstein get to stay in power", as the grounds for declaring "inequality! sexism!".

I pointed out that in the Epstein case, looking at people who are named in the files (so same general control group), there are women like the Rothschild chick, who are getting off scott-free. I also pointed out that looking at two people who committed the same crimes (Ghislaine and Epstein were partners in all this afterall), the guy got killed, the woman got a dog, to highlight that the 'inequality' often favours women -- particularly when they, too, have money. Really, Ariane Rothschild getting off scott free, just like every other Epstein named collaborator, is enough of a counter to the 'attempted' point from the image -- as it shows that the getting off scott free isn't necessarily happening because they are 'men', since 'women' too are without accountability.

I agree that inequalities exist, but I don't agree that it's as rampant as the left seems to think, nor do I think "ALL" inequalities boil down to gender shit. And I don't agree that looking at the accountability for those named in the epstein files is a good place to try and highlight gender inequalities (the actual crimes committed were generally against women, but that's not what the image is highlighting -- and if we want to look at that sort of thing, through a gender lens, then it'd be fair to bring up the lopsided casualties in things like war and drafts, where men's deaths far outnumber women, and basically no one in the epstein class/rich gives a shit. It's sorta like politicians arguing "Those who suffer most are the wives and children left behind" when a guy gets killed in a war - as though the guy dying isn't sorta a bad result from the POV of the individual, one that's a bit worse than not having a husband/dad around.

Besides, if you want to talk about careers ruined by phone leaks/images on devices -- there are plenty of men who've had careers ruined by a dick pick, or even just an accusation of sexually inappropriate behaviours - though these consequences generally fall on the poors/commoners. So even the "Women who have their photos leaked lose careers!" is sorta bullshit. Hell, Kim Kardashian is practically famous because her private shit got "leaked". Name a dude who's made a billion off of a leaked dick pick. Heck, even that Coldplay cheating scandal -- the guy lost his job, the HR lady he was cheating with kept hers.

[–] sneakypersimmon@lemmy.today 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The guy who lost his job in the Coldplay cheating scandal was the CEO. He carried more blame for inappropriate behavior at work because he was in a position of higher power. Also the HR woman did lose that job.

I’m not sure it should be seen as a benefit for women to potentially have more fame because their nudes leaked and men enjoyed it. An outlier is not a rule made and most women would be horrified to have their sex tapes leaked as revenge porn.

No one is saying every single inequality boils down to “gender shit”.

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[–] vivacious_lullaby@slrpnk.net 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Kinda ironic incels online were arguing it was the other way around too >:(

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

I hate to defend incels on any point....,. you know what, as much as I feel compelled to play devil's advocate, this time I'm not gonna.

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