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    [–] DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

    Caught me off guard with the Linus part. I laughed so much. Lmao

    [–] Auth@lemmy.world 59 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    This really shouldn't be a hot take but I think the people here will disagree. "Linus unironically did nothing wrong in his linux challenge video" The linux community really shouldnt act like he was using it wrong because its a terrible look.

    No reasonable person can pretend there are no issues with linux. Sure you can get good at using linux and not run into these issues but they still exist and people will still run into them and you shouldnt blame the person.

    [–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

    Linus installed popOS at a friggin LAN, under pressure, and was rushing to get stuff working then got bent out of shape by comments on protondb about how to get his game to work. His colleagues sat at home, with all the time in the world to figure stuff out and were pleasantly surprised by their experience.

    Linux has issues for sure, I run into them daily, but there's a big difference in giving it a fair shot and saying "could've happened on Windows" and making a video as it only happens on Linux. If Linux came on hardware by default, and people had no idea it was Linux, they'd be complaining about their computer, just like people complain about Windows. Linus acts like everything is a Linux issue whenany things are just computer issues you get used to.

    [–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

    There is nothing wrong with installing linux at a LAN. Its quick to install and configure, its actually a layup situation for linux. If Linus had installed it at home he would have had an equally poor experience since the issues were completely out of his control. PopOS shouldnt have labeled Cosmic as production ready and shipped it. Valve should have fixed left4dead2 as its been a known issue for 5 years.

    [–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

    The big problem is Linus decides to pretend to be some "average user" when he isn't one, and therefore ends up making absolutely bonkers decisions. It was super obvious in the last video because Linus was the only one participating who had major issues, and the only one participating who pretended to know nothing.

    If they actually wanted to give Linux an honest shot and see if they can replace windows on one or more of their computers, the format would be entirely different. I think the format would probably start with a Q&A session with a well known Linux YouTuber like Wendel (who they still appear to have a good working relationship with) where they get the initial "here's what you need to know and what I recommend for the best experience right now" then a check in call after 24 hours, 72 hours, 1 week and 2 weeks where they touch base, discuss pain points and how to alleviate them. Such a format would give an easy transition as well as great advise for the audience, but still present plenty of opportunity to directly see real world pain points and rough edges but instead of those rough edges being "haha Linux bad" they can instead be "here's how to overcome them" or "this is an area that needs some developer time, anyone want to dive into improving this?" And maybe if they were really feeling crazy they could offer up some bug bounties for the pain points they find! Because that's the power of open source is if you have the knowhow you can go in and fix it!

    I honestly suspect Linus just doesn't want to change, and that's why he keeps failing to actually give Linux a shot. This might be an unpopular opinion here but it's okay if he doesn't want to change, but he should not be trying to tear down the Linux community for content in the process

    [–] Auth@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

    I think this perspective is insane. They should absolutely not approached switching to linux by leveraging expert linux advice through their youtube contacts. Its fine for Linus to have issues switching to linux, most people do and the video wasnt just Linus having issues it was also Luke and Elijah having a good experience. When it comes to switching to linux Linus is an average user, he doesnt know about the system and is going in with little experience. LTT has gotten these pain points fixed and their video did not come off as "haha linux bad" did you watch it?

    As a linux user I want linux to be an approachable thing, I would be pissed if it was presented as a thing that required expert consultation from wendel.

    [–] TheSporkBomber@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    What do you mean it's possible for a multi millionaire ceo with a mansion and a private jet to lose touch and not want to change? Preposterous.

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    [–] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

    I don't know if I agree that Linus' decision making can be attributed to role playing as an "average user" so much as it being a case of too much experience hindering him. He's someone who has been interacting with tech for his entire life and has become very proficient at it within his domain of knowledge. He is definitely someone who is used to tossing the user manual aside when he gets a new device and stumbling his way through until he groks it, and he is using that same approach with Linux. This ends up meaning that he just does stuff that should work the way that he's used to (i.e. follows the Windows paradigm) and then runs into problems because of it. I think that a lot of his issues basically stem from his ego not permitting him to take a step back to re-learn some of the fundamentals, or least map them onto his Windows-focused mental model.

    All that said, Linux distros have varying levels of issues and quirks that have to be learned/dealt with, and there's nothing inherently wrong with pointing those pain points out. Linus just needs to take a step back and realise that he's going to have to actually learn something if he wants to be successful.

    [–] ericwdhs@discuss.online 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    I don't think LTT's approach is bad exactly. I really just take issue with their argument that "there are thousands of 'switching to Linux' videos on YouTube, so we don't need to cover that ground again." It's ignoring the fact that, for better or worse, they have the biggest audience and furthest reach in the space. There's still room for "we're approaching this like normies would," but I really think they need to close it up with "if you want to do this, here's how to do it right."

    [–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 52 minutes ago

    Why would we want a "heres how to switch to linux right" from ltt? Even the big linux youtubers get roasted for making those videos incorrectly.

    [–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

    On the other hand though, Linus isn't exactly an 'average user', having spent most of his life working in the IT industry. I'm not sure it's completely fair judging him as if he was a random clueless person either.

    [–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Weren't people giving him commands, and he was running them without understanding what they did? Or am I thinking of somebody else?

    [–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 15 points 2 days ago

    Aha you were probably thinking of every one that is learning Linux ever born?

    [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

    That’s what the average Linux noob or casual user does.

    [–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

    Something is missing. Do you want a computer? No. Do you have money? Yes: Apple. No: Chrome OS

    [–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

    Yeah, but now they got that phone laptop. I am curious to see if Apple becomes the personal computer company again, or if this will be their chromeos.

    I think these locked down phones were just too perfect.

    Can't have these unsupervised conversations or, God forbid, something actually disruptive.

    [–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Wut popos is pretty good got it on all other family members computors

    [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 days ago

    Linus managed to uninstall his desktop environment by installing Steam because there was an issue with deps on the package and he didn't really look at the list of packages that would be uninstalled either.

    And now he's doing another Linux challenge and he picked Pop again. Which is now using COSMIC which is in Alpha stage at the moment, so a recipe for more issues lol

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    [–] JakoJakoJako13@piefed.social 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    There was something that happened a while ago that made all the tech influencers look kinda silly in regards to Linux. I'll never forget this comment on one of the videos around the kerfuffle. 'All these computer experts have just been downgraded to Windows influencers.' It's so true how they can tell you all the inner workings of a Windows machine and the moment they try Linux their expertise just falls apart.

    I have a working hypothesis, the short of which goes something like this:

    windows makes one memorise orders of infinite submenus, while linux makes you understand the way it works.

    [–] James_Ryan@discuss.tchncs.de 121 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    Linus has a skill for messing things up with Linux

    [–] Nyadia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 65 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    It's a little crazy to me how the most popular tech youtuber struggles so much with Linux, meanwhile fucking PewDiePie, who's not known for being particularly bright, has been making videos about Linux and selfhosting and how fun it is to configure his system lol.

    [–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago

    The hardest person to convert is a Windows "poweruser". They have an unfounded confidence in their ability to do things. They think because they know Windows well they should be immediate pros at other OSes as well.

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    [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 66 points 3 days ago
    [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

    It's on purpose.

    [–] REDACTED 21 points 3 days ago

    Probably dropped it

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    [–] MIXEDUNIVERS@discuss.tchncs.de 117 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    the interessting thing with linus is that he 1. plays the non tech person and 2. has pretty bad luck with linux fetures that are broken or bugs because he stumbles over them to 120%.

    I also like the contrast between Linus and Luke because Luke drives Mint on his Laptop and cachy os on something other and he has very few problems.

    [–] Auth@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Luke has had problems he mentions on the WAN show. But they two really arent comparable because Luke's use case is completely different hes much closer to the average person. He only uses a web browser and some light gaming.

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    [–] deeves@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Linus: Now, I want to give Linux the fairest chance possible - That's why I'm going to fresh install it blind during a 10,000 person LAN party, in the worst networking nightmare scenario possible

    [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    "Hmmm.... testing branch. Sounds like the branch for me."

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    Yeah, that was fucking dumb.

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    [–] Norin@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    I’m borderline Linux illiterate and have been using Pop as my daily driver for years without problems.

    I think I’ve had to troubleshoot a major issue exactly one time and that was easy.

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    [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

    Pop_OS! is fine, even if COSMIC is unrefined. It will get there eventually. Comparing it to Windows is libel.

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    [–] justdaveisfine@piefed.social 48 points 3 days ago (11 children)

    I have a test desktop that I put Pop OS on (when I was testing distros) and it seems fine. I'm not a huge fan of Cosmic so far but its alright.

    [–] yesman@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)
    [–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

    People love gnome unironically? #kdeftw

    [–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 3 days ago (10 children)

    I don't really get it either. I used gnome once and needed multiple extensions to get functionality that is the default of KDE

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    [–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    I doubt people with private jets use computers. Especially privately. Linux even less so.

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