10 is definitely Kashmir right? Would have been interesting to throw a 4th faction in that fight.
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The Zionists accepted the Peel Partition Plan of 1937 and the UN partition plan of 1947. The Palestinian Arabs refused it.
The Zionists declared a Jewish state in 1948. The Palestinian Arabs did not declare a state of their own.
The West Bank was occupied and then annexed by the Kingdom of Jordan and it gave citizenship to all Palestinians living there. Gaza was occupied by Egypt, but not annexed.
Israel offered a state to the Palestinians several times in Camp David, Olmert 2008, Taba, etc. The Palestinian leadership refused those offers without a specific counter offer.
The Palestinians had several opportunities to get a state, but chose otherwise.
insane that germany wasnt even considert. i know cold war bla bla. but lets be honest, what better land for isreal than the nation that killed 6 million and therefor revoked germanys right to exist. saying this as a german and a critic of current isreal
The idea of settling Jews in the land of their murderers is preposterous. How could Jews feel safe living right next to their killers?
It would also completely validate the antisemitic thoughts of Hitler, that he had fought the war against the Jews. Jews literally getting German territory after the war proves this.
That would’ve set Germany back to 1933 basically. The fastest way to get their right wing to overtake the entire spectrum again, despite what just happened.
I see your point. But I believe there would have been a good chance of it turning out like the U.S. when they finally did away with slavery. (Yes, I know different forms of slavery were drafted and implemented before it was outlawed. However, the sure count of people that were in slavery of any kind in the U.S., greatly decreased the decade following. It's still morally wrong. But that's a reality the U.S. and other countries lived and breathed back then.) I would worry that some form of Jim Crow laws would come about, after more Jewish people returned. (This does have me interested in learning more about how the Jewish people were treated over a decade, after the Nazi party fell in Germany. If anyone can point me in the right 'direction,' it would be much appreciated.) I'm not a historian, nor Israel expert. But I am a person wanting to learn more about the world's accurate history.
i am confused of what you mean. after ww2 ended in europe germany had no goverment or souverinity. there was no country so to say just the zones under allied forces control. before a german goverment was reestablished they should have given jewish people the right to form their own country/goverment there. i mean i oppose religous goverments, but if you needed to create isreal somewhere, there was the place. a souverin no mans land
Do you really think that any Jews would migrate to a newly founded state right next to or within Germany?
It's less about the government and more about the populace. A great many of the people of Germany were complicit in the Holocaust. Those that didn't work in the camps (or even know what happened there) were still reporting their neighbors and having their children join the Hitler youth. Much like the US South where black folks continued to be surrounded by racists that (for over a century) would lynch a formerly enslaved people with no repercussions, the Jews would be living amongst their former oppressors.
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This doesn't read exactly friendly or sympathetic to the Jewish refugees other than it gives them a nation to be deported to. This doesn't exactly read like a Jewish diaspora lead document. Seems like a "modest proposal" document by an anti-refugee person that isn't a complete POS for their times but the idea was.
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BuT JeRUsAlEm!
Keep in mind that Zionists claimed Palestine was "uninhabited" as well.
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Dude, if they put the Jews in India, you could've had whole generations of Hinjews. Or if they were in Canada we could talk about the Canjew attitude.
same way that modern Israel is accepting of mixing Pelstinian people with Israel?
If they settled in India, you would have a whole generation of disposed Indians being ethnically cleansed.
a whole generation of disposed Indians being ethnically cleansed.
Are you aware of the partition of India and how many people were displaced?
good point, but we can assume it would have been worse if it was the Pakistan/India partition, AND a India/Israel partition
20% of Israeli citizens are not Jewish, most of them Palestinian Arabs (self identification and labels vary). They have equal rights, vote, have respected professions like judge or doctor and are doing well economically. Sure, there’s also some discrimination, however overall Israeli Arabs are the most free and among the most prosperous people in the region.
Israel is okay with an Arab minority. They can’t annex the West Bank and Gaza and give everyone citizenship without losing the majority. Having a country that’s majority Jewish is the whole point of Israel.
you might consider to stop drinking the Hasbara tit
America loves them so much, why didn’t they hand over a state to them?
Because of antisemitism. The USA had strict quotas for Jewish immigration. There were ships full of Jewish refugees, that were refused entry and had to turn around. Many of those on the shops died later in the Holocaust.
The British also had put restrictions on Jewish immigration to the mandate of Palestine during the 1940s. Ships filled with Jewish refugees were forced to Cyprus where they were kept prisoner in camps.
During Israel’s war of independence in 1948, the USA had an arms embargo against it.
New York, or Washington DC?
north america has plenty of space, should have put it there
Most countries at the time didn’t want Jewish immigration or restricted it heavily. The USA sent ships full of Jewish refugees back to Europe during the Holocaust.
North America has a very bad history with concentrating groups to certain regions
Here's a pamphlet on the subject:
https://archive.org/details/rfj_20190624/page/n3/mode/2up
This appears to be an attempt at a non-Zionist, Jewish nationalist movement. This Joseph Hefter lists himself as the national leader in the pamphlet, so despite the reference to "the explosive abnormality of the nameless, homeless, roaming Jewish nation" that "will aggrevate theNew Peace even more than it aggrevated the outbreak of the present catastrophic war" I have to assume that Hefter himself was Jewish. Unsurprisingly, the nationalist is the "self-hating" Jew, and not, despite frequent accusations, the leftist, diasporic Jew, such as myself.
Interesting history, nonetheless.
It’s a fringe group. The author is also American and not a persecuted European Jew.
wouldn't it be funny if they chose Brazil
Might bump into some old acquaintances
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