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[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If you bought a coffee pot requiring network access and give it unrestricted internet then you deserved to become a government pawn

[–] Phunter@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago

Gonna tell my mom I got a government job.

[–] DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 115 points 5 days ago (5 children)
[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 27 points 5 days ago

My moka pot ain't talkin' to no one.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

I'd recommend one that's not plastic. (Though I have that same one and use it occasionally.)

https://www.hario-usa.com/products/switch-immersion-dripper

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Seriously. I’m not really sure why a coffee maker needs to have any technology. My electric kettle is about the highest tech thing in the whole process.

[–] gazter@aussie.zone 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's tech, and then there's electronic tech. I'm sure the filter paper is waaaaay more high tech than the kettle. Seriously, check out the engineering that goes into filter mediums, it's insane.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

I feel like this is a topic someone on YouTube will have a 40 minute video about lol

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The steam from the water powers a micro rotor and the coffee acts as an antenna, duh

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I have a stainless steel one but yeah pour-over gang reporting

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago

why would I care? the US is spying on me and they're a much bigger threat to me

[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 59 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Eyes his french press suspiciously

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago
[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 5 points 5 days ago

Mine said “On ne passe pas!”, so I knew it was one of the good ones.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 5 days ago (1 children)

All jokes aside, IoT devices suck.

Why does a dishwasher need to connect to a remote server to use its full functionality? Why does my coffee maker need me to start it using an app? At that point it isn't a feature, it's a dependency that the company behind will eventually shut down one way or another.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 23 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Nothing IoT is allowed in my house if it can't be fully managed locally with Home Assistant.

[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Frankly you shouldn't stop with just IoT devices. My sister wouldn't listen to the HA so she's not allowed over. It was a bit of a fight in the family but the dog listens so it got to stay and I think that's totally reasonable.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Damn, which integration did you use for the dog?

[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ii use esphome to flash the firmware on his shockcollar. Now when he barks the shock collar on my sister goes off and she gets him a treat.

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

a lot of them have BLE trackers, I can track my dogs throughout the house

[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The collar does have BLE but I thought that would be a violation of my sisters privacy and I don't want her to feel unwelcome.

[–] AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

genuinely got a laugh out of me lol, unexpected response

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[–] Slovene85@sh.itjust.works 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] hidalgo_islenio@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago

Guess I'll have to keep making coffee the old way

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 38 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Shoots coffee maker Americanly. Shoots toaster too, just to be sure.

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[–] caboose2006@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

I've got a french press. Is it spying on me for china or France. At this point I don't care which one.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 4 days ago

What's the worst that can happen? China takes over and I'm forced to slave my life away and not be able to get anything I want?..... oh wait..

[–] mghackerlady@leminal.space 5 points 4 days ago

I don't give a rats ass if chinas tracking me. Why? because I don't live in china nor do I ever plan to. In fact, I'd prefer they track me instead of a US company

[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If the have "reams" of data on me, good luck reading through it all.

[This is a sarcastically humourous take on the fact that the word "reams" is used, which is a measure of blocks of 500 pieces of paper.]

[–] JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I think they meant what they said. They could view it all on a computer screen but if they were to print it out it would probably be thousands of pages worth of data on each person.

[–] slowmorella@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 5 days ago

yeah i was also surprised they printed it.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wait until you find out what they're doing to you through your toilet seat!

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't actually mind that. I kinda like that. (secretly)

[–] JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Maybe it's finally time we start kink-shaming some people.

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I also like being kink shamed. (Not a secret)

[–] DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How do they have reams of data on every American? I'm not following.

[–] EpicMuch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I was gifted a thermal insulated coffee mug with built-in battery to keep hot. Connects to phone via Bluetooth. Got warnings that the mug would be able to track all 50+ Bluetooth MAC IDs that are in range (I’m in an apt building). That mug will never get turned on or used

[–] Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Imagine being afraid of a Bluetooth device behaving like every other Bluetooth device ever created.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Except that it sounds like this hooked into an app and sent all the info about those Bluetooth devices to the manufacturer, which some data collectors can use process of elimination to isolate you. Normal (privacy-respecting) Bluetooth devices do not pass this info to the service provider and only your phone uses it to pair with the device.

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[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 days ago

I like to imagine the guy who pitched spying on Americans through their coffee makers like "we need to figure out how much coffee Americans are drinking" and everyone in the room was just fully on board with this genius idea.

[–] kboos1@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Thought that it would be obvious that your $25 smart coffee maker was spying on you.

[–] Dearth@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

what exactly is the concern with China knowing when I make my coffee or use my laundry machine? It's not like they're interested in stealing my identity or scamming me out of my savings. Outside of the generally icky-ness of having your data stolen, what's the endgame?

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 13 points 4 days ago

Silly Answer: American morning rituals are sacred. They are to be hidden from our enemies.

Actual Answer:

Small Data sources compiled over time with rough geographic approximation (or direct geographic information such as GPS sensors on phones) as well as likely consumer information can actually form a complete or near complete profile on the habits and locations of individuals, groups, and companies, including military targets. As an example, if we assume all Chinese companies are secretly government controlled (they're not.) extensions of their spy agency then, for example, a useful profile might include:

Time the alarm clock went off + time water heater gets activated + time coffee maker is set to make coffee + time refrigerator is opened and closed + time recorded by alarm system + video from doorbell cam = Accurate morning routine, including when the house will be empty, when it will be occupied but not actively monitored (during a morning shower), if and when the person might be gone for a run and how long

If you need to target say, a general who you believe has classified information in his home office, then it would be amazing to know all of this. It'd also be easier to just bribe the maid to get what you want (which is how 99% of 'spying' operations actually work.)

If you extend that to all things that might form some amount of data on their use, you could get a total profile of everything someone does in a day in their home... or office... or possibly military base.

Now is this is a risk? Yes.

Is this a likely risk? No. Not even a little. Again bribing a maid or maintenance technician is cheaper, easier, and way, way less risky.

Then why do so many ~~Chinese~~ appliances send this information to unknown and scary ip addresses?

Because data is valuable to advertisers, and theoretically it's valuable to engineers to know how their product is being used. This combined with executives' push for everything to have an app, because data is valuable and because it makes the product seem 'modern,' fully offers a simple explanation on how and why we find ourselves here. But sinophobia in the Amerisraeli Empire is the only way the Epstein class actually maintains any control -- if there is an enemy who they accuse of doing even worse, the subjects of the empire let them do anything they way.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

They flipped my mom!?

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Is that why this stainless steel French press needs wifi to work?

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