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[–] tgf@lemmy.world 221 points 5 days ago (5 children)

"The process starts with old batteries being separated and burned to strip away non-metal components. What's left gets crushed into something called black mass. This is essentially a powder packed with recoverable metals. From there, a water-based chemical treatment called hydrometallurgy pulls the lithium out. One clever distinction in this new process is that the recovered lithium hydroxide actually replaces a chemical traditionally used during refining. This cuts the carbon footprint by about 40% compared to older methods."

Article also said that previous methods got about 45% of the lithium from recycling.

[–] renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 78 points 5 days ago (2 children)

seems like a significant breakthrough

Now we just need to stop big oil propaganda and lobbying from shitting all over EV sales

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago

Nowhere near the advertised 90% in the title tho

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 5 days ago (5 children)
[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 73 points 4 days ago (8 children)

You know what the richest ore for finding metals for new batteries is? Old batteries. Same applies to solar panels. This is great to see.

Yeah ive played rimworld too.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also for aluminum it’s cheaper to recycle aluminum than to produce it from raw ore.

[–] nightlily@leminal.space 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah it takes insane amounts of electricity. There’s an aluminium smelter in NZ with an entire hydroelectric power plant dedicated to it. 13% of the total electricity supply of NZ dedicated to just one smelter.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

holy crap that's immense; how do you power concrete production?

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 108 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Jerry Rigs Everything Video about lithium recycling to black mass.

Recycled lithium uses 70% less energy than virgin freshly mined lithium, and lithium, like aluminum, in infinitely recyclable.

Assholes like Jeremy Clarkson don't get this.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Jeremy Clarkson rims goats. Fuckin tail-lifter.

[–] null@lemmy.org 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] UndergroundParking@lemmy.cafe 28 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Nothing. Lemmy being edgy teens.

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[–] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 100 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Ok it needs to be said. The smart play is to have governments to subsidize this process and build up the raw inventory for lithium. That way, ie (US) could have tons and tons of raw lithium without having to mine it.

[–] besmtt@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Wouldn't it be smarter to use old EV batteries for grid storage?

[–] FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca 60 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why not both? Downcycle the old EV batteries for grid storage, then when they reach the end of useful life, recycle them. We need to resurrect the first 2 R's (Reduce, Reuse) to be able to survive on this planet.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They are listed in order of importance.. reduce first, if you can't, then reuse. If you can't reuse, then recycle.

Problem is, we saw "recycle" and thougt "infinite resources" and ditched the other two.. turns out that most things cant really be recycled, so now it's just landfill all the way

[–] FederatedFreedom1981@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago

I wish I could remember where I read it, but the focus on just Recycle was encouraged as the main narrative by corporations which didn't want to give up the myth of endless growth.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The batteries don't last forever, eventually, they need to be dealt with somehow.

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[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 17 points 5 days ago (5 children)

That's great and all, but not all batteries need lithium. When another battery technology gets mature enough to surpass lithium based batteries, then we'll still be stuck on old tech cause the government is subsiding it.

This also reduces the incentive for making more lithium efficient batteries.

Subsidies can help, but they need to be more generalized so they don't create issues moving past current tech. Heck, look at how much trouble we're having getting past oil, that's a perfect example.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (20 children)

Under modern physics, Lithium is pretty much the best possible chemical to build batteries out of. Anything else that might be better won't be a chemical battery, and it's not like there's any reason to suspect some new magic thing will be created like a pocket-size fusion reactor that will make chemical batteries totally obsolete any time soon. Decades more of lithium batteries being relevant are as close to guaranteed as can be.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Lithium is pretty much the best possible chemical to build batteries out of.

Depends on how you define "best". Likely the highest possible short-term energy density, yes, but that isn't the only thing we might want out of a battery. "Doesn't catch fire" is one of the areas where the highest-energy lithium battery chemistries are far from the best, for instance.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We recover 99% of lead from car batteries. The same lead is used over and over.

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[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

big oil's about to start yet another denialism campaigh

[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I just want the fucking oil mafia to burn at sun’s temperature. They are such a fucking obstacle and disgrace to humanity’s development. Same goes for the big pharma. All the suffering just because of greed for a piece of paper with £/₹/$/€ on it.

Ok angry rant over.

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Capitalism rewards profit. Imagine basing all aspects of life on profit making. Of course human needs, interests, environment health etc. take up a side-role in such a system.

And they're trying to rent seek wherever and whenever possible. Not too long we will be needing to pay for air.

[–] TheVoiceOfRaison@thelemmy.club 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oil companies are today what the Catholic church were to science in the middle ages.

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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Lithium recycling has never been the problem. The problem is most EVs are new, and people aren't buying enough of them, so there isn't enough capacity of old batteries in the system yet for business to profit from building the plants to do the recycling. And now some stupid orange asshole has been sabotaging production, so we're not going to hit that tipping point for decades.

[–] Canigou@jlai.lu 17 points 5 days ago

In the USA. Us Europeans are happily treading toward carbon neutrality, even more since the cheetos' fun war with Iran.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

tl;dr:

Rub them on a big piece of carpet.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

I remember reading another article that said that their incinerated sewage waste had more gold per ton than their highest yielding mines.

[–] darkangelazuarl@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is going to make it even less of a reason for companies to invest in sodium batteries

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Terrific. But, I suppose it won't happen at scale until it's cheaper than mining.

Because money is everything, and our environment is replaceable. /s

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