Tough on Beeps, tough on the causes of Beeps!
Comic Strips
Comic Strips is a community for those who love comic stories.
The rules are simple:
- The post can be a single image, an image gallery, or a link to a specific comic hosted on another site (the author's website, for instance).
- The comic must be a complete story.
- If it is an external link, it must be to a specific story, not to the root of the site.
- You may post comics from others or your own.
- If you are posting a comic of your own, a maximum of one per week is allowed (I know, your comics are great, but this rule helps avoid spam).
- The comic can be in any language, but if it's not in English, OP must include an English translation in the post's 'body' field (note: you don't need to select a specific language when posting a comic).
- Politeness.
- AI-generated comics aren't allowed.
- Limit of two posts per person per day.
- Bots aren't allowed.
- Banned users will have their posts removed.
- Adult content is not allowed. This community aims to be fun for people of all ages.
Web of links
- !linuxmemes@lemmy.world: "I use Arch btw"
- !memes@lemmy.world: memes (you don't say!)
Finally, the beepening is over.
Good luck moderating this place, hope my provocative content doesn't create too many moderation headaches, I've stirred up the userbase quite a few times in the past :)
As a former mod of some big communities, make sure to always remember it's a volunteer task and not a job. You don't owe anyone explanations, you're allowed to be wrong, you can take breaks, even if you're doing your best some people will dislike you no matter what. Keep it cool or it might affect your mental health. Remember this comment if you ever feel burnt out!
Removal of the spoiler tags definitely made the rules more difficult to read.
A version history of rule changes would have been helpful.
A community of this size really should have more than one mod. I do see you are looking for more mods though.
A jump from 2 a day posts to 5 seems like a bit much. I think 3 would be a better place.
I'm really liking the revised rules as of this comment. Thank you for taking this on!
See I'd have just made an anti-Beep rule and called it a day, good on you for really diving into the role o7
Best. Response. Ever!!! π€£
Thank you!
πΆ Keep it at PG/PEGI 7
Can we add an 'unless tagged NSFW' addendum to this? There's plenty of quality NSFW things that get posted here (e.g. Oglaf comics) and I for one would be sad to see them go (or to have to create a new community for those things).
Edit: To add to this, looking back at post history, it looks like we get about 1 NSFW post per week here, give or take. Have those really been problematic enough to warrant a ban (when appropriately tagged?)
I'd be in favor of using PG-13 as the baseline, not PG. A lot of the stuff here I probably wouldn't show a 7 year old. Lemmy isn't exactly a children's site anyway.
NSFW tags can be used for anything you wouldn't show a minor, but keep in mind this isn't a porn community - adult topics and suggestive content are okay, but actual porn is not (unless we do want to allow it???).
Going with the PEGI ratings for sexual content might be a bit more helpful. (There's a bit of interpretation leeway because this is written for games not comic strips)
This [sex] content descriptor can accompany a PEGI 12 rating if the game includes sexual posturing or innuendo, a PEGI 16 rating if there is erotic nudity or sexual intercourse without visible genitals, or a PEGI 18 rating if there is explicit sexual activity in the game. Depictions of nudity in a non-sexual context do not require a specific age rating, and this descriptor would not be necessary. Wikipedia
If I'm reading this correctly, PEGI 12 is if it subtly references sex in someway, or if a character is in a "sexy" pose; a "let's Netflix and chill" or "is that pickle in your pocket" type of thing.
PEGI 16 is the sex scene on TV that your parents always seem to be watching when you walk in. It doesn't show main parts of the act, but you know what they're doing.
PEGI 18 is just porn.
From those descriptions, I suggest allowing PEGI 12 with no tagging necessary, PEGI 16 must be tagged, and PEGI 18 is not allowed.
I'd get rid of the last sentence of the wiki description too to make it simple - if there's nudity tag it as nsfw.
Or even simpler; If you'd get arrested for showing it to a 16yr old, tag it. If you'd shoot your "creepy uncle" for showing it to your 16yr old kid, tag it.
I'd apply similar rules for violence, pegi 12 is fine, pegi 16 tag it, and pegi 18 is guro/NSFL and not allowed.
The original rule stated:
Adult content is not allowed. This community aims to be fun for people of all ages.
The adult content is already a rule; I was merely rewording it and trying to offer a clearer definition of "adult content". However, if the community so desires and posts can be properly tagged NSFW, I wouldn't be against adding onto this rule.
But, I also do not want this comm to devolve into yet another porn depot. There are instances for that already.
I feel like allowing tagged NSFW would work as long as it's legitimately a comic strip, and one that isn't exclusively porn. (So, like, that recent Jucika would be okay, an Oglaf would be barely toeing the line, and anything beyond that would belong somewhere else. Or maybe Oglaf would be on the wrong side of the line, IDK.)
I don't follow either artist, and have only seen mentions of them like how you describe. So my thought process is likely going to be case-by-case.
I picked them as examples because both have recently been posted here.
Here's the NSFW Jucika I mentioned (note: none of the other Jucika strips are NSFW), and I can't find the Oglafs anymore because I think you removed them.
On a related note, it would've been easier for me to search (and especially, to check the modlog since the image is gone and you have to go by title alone) if the name of the strip were in the title.
Sure, but the original rule was not being enforced. Presumably given that we have an active mod, now, you're planning to enforce the rules. Basically all I'm saying is, I'd prefer that the content that has been getting posted be allowed to continue to be posted. Nobody's looking for hardcore pornography, but the occasional risque comic should (IMO) not cause problems, as they haven't been for quite some time.
It does look like the community overall enjoys the more adult themed comics sometimes splashed in here, and theyre not super frequent and we havent devolved into a porn spot yet.
Like others have said, Oglaf is fun and can be very raunchy, their site is 18+ and at times they have some safe PG13 to PG comics in their arsenal. Besides them, Cyanide and Happiness are very PG to PG13 and then on occasion they post very R rated content.
I think as a community we can generalize what we enjoy without going overboard and a NSFW provides a clear boundary to people in settings where looking at this content can get them in trouble. While I understand wanting to keep things relatively family friendly we shouldnt be the guardians over other peoples children.
In response to those who have mentioned the PG/PEGI 7 rule, how does this work for a compromise?
ποΈ Community Standards
Posts should be safe and enjoyable by the majority of community members, both here on lemmy.world and other instances. Any comic that would qualify as raunchy, lewd, or otherwise draw unwanted attention by nosy coworkers, spouses, or family members should be tagged as NSFW.
Graphic content of any kind will not be tolerated. This includes gore, pornography, or violence.
Moderators have final say on what and what does not qualify as safe and enjoyable. Use common sense, and if need be, err on the side of caution.
Letβs roll with it and then pull back if we need to. Any way to have a vote on or have visibility into some of the preliminary content removals to massage the right threshold for things like violence?
Very glad to see this. Obviously this whole thing is happening because of that one troll who was removing attributions from comics. So my question for you is: can you go ahead and remove everything he ever posted here?
Because as long as the unattributed versions are sitting out there, they're liable to be reposted elsewhere, making it harder to find the real versions. It should be stopped at the source as soon as possible.
Other than that, I see that everyone else is already on you about the PG thing.
My origin story on Lemmy is that the first thing I ever posted here was an original comic that I hadn't put anywhere else. It was a Lemmy exclusive, which obviously is not a thing people really do. It got removed because it had the word "balls" in it.
So I posted it to reddit. It hit the front page immediately, and it's been reposted tens of thousands of times across the internet since then. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I think that means it was some premium content, which seems like something the largest webcomic community on Lemmy would want.
Anyway, I'm actually fine with not allowing full-blown nsfw content here, but "balls" should be allowed.
We will work on the attribution/watermark issues. I have a feeling it'll take time and community effort. But, as I am going through every report, I am seeing that people are commenting and conversating, and I do not want to take that away from them. Also, a lot of the posts have attribution in one form or another, despite the image being cropped. This was either done by the poster as body text, or by a community member.
Anyway, Iβm actually fine with not allowing full-blown nsfw content here, but βballsβ should be allowed.

This you?
You're missing my point. If I drew a comic and signed my name on it, and some jerk removed my signature, it doesn't matter if I get credit in the comments. Because that image is going to get reposted elsewhere, and my name is no longer with it.
In some cases he even used AI to "upscale" comics, and it made changes to the art. All of his posts need to be nuked. They're poisoning the well.
I agree with you. I do. But keep in mind that I am coming in after the fact; after other people have taken the time to contribute in one form or another via comments. They have also made efforts to post the correct sources in the comments. Now, going forward this will not be tolerated at all (this is why I am trying to update the rules). I consider cropping and "AI upscaling" to be vandalism, and it will be dealt with accordingly. I have also reached out privately to said individual to let them know my feelings on the subject. It's going to take time and effort.
Can you clarify something else for me? Is the offender in this case not being banned? Because he is way, way past third chances, and I don't think the community is ok with that.
Ok, but you can just remove the vandalized comics. Otherwise they'll continue to do damage. Taking them down doesn't hurt anyone.
The efforts in the comment sections were towards this end - to try to stop the harm he was doing.
Mods are not able to edit posts, so the images cannot be removed without removing the entire thread.
The mod is saying he wants to keep these threads because of the comments, and then actual attribution happened.
While you are saying you want the initial image gone so that someone down the line does not find the beeped version and share it as the original art.
While I personally think preservation of the threads is a good idea, I think preventing beeped images from being disseminated is a better idea. I for one am for nuking the offending threads.
Exactly. The threads are not the point. The art is the point. Most of the comments were about what kind of asshole would remove attribution anyway.
It comes down to what we want this community to be. Is this just some third tier meme group, sharing the reposts of the reposts from other communities? Or is it a place that's respectful to artists, that could eventually be where content creators post their original stuff?
Some other things will have to go our way to make the latter happen, but it'll never happen if we're positioned for the former.
But if I'm understanding the situation correctly, I don't think beep is even banned. Which would make sense why the new mod is so reticent about nuking his content.
I'm all for second chances, but as long as a single beeped comic still exists in this community, he and every one of his alts needs to be banned. Anything less is hostile to artists and makes this a meme factory instead of a place to share and celebrate comics.
Beep 1 (lemmus) was banned by their instance
Beep 2 (fedinsfw) was banned by their instance
Beep 3 (.world) has all of their comments and posts nuked, I cannot tell if they did it, or admins.
Beep 4 (piefed.world) active and posting in this community.
And technically, the rule regarding attribution was not active while they were posting. But I think if a rule is made because of you, you probably deserve a ban.
ETA I saw posts from a beep account last night and only saw it was .world. It is piefed.world, not Lemmy.
Man, jerkface, I really appreciate you taking on this responsibility, but I'm really wary of a hard pivot to "no adult content"/PEGI 7. I'd even be slightly skeptical toward PEGI 12, but PEGI 7 is pretty restrictive and leaves out really good content that's non-offensive to social media platforms like Lemmy where ~~users are expected (not formally in LW's ToS, but nevertheless expected) to be at least 13.~~ (edit: I'm a dummy; I forgot LW's ToS were 18+. The 13+ assumption was sort of threadiverse-wide, but I totally whiffed the LW-specific part.)
I wouldn't gripe too much over PEGI 12 and allowing for the NSFW tag for exceptions (because that covers 13+), but PEGI 7 is saying "let's keep it appropriate for users who shouldn't even be browsing Lemmy unsupervised".
Anyway, your diligent moderation is better than beepsville, and I still really appreciate the hard work I know you're willing to put in.
Thank you so much, jerkface! We really appreciate you stepping up.
Hopefully this puts an end to beepβs shenanigans.
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+1 for attribution
-1 for PG. We've been unmoderated for probably over a year now, and it hasn't devolved into anything. Starting to enforce a PG filter now is an active change. Not a passive continuation.
Thank you for taking on the responsibility, the little background info does inspire confidence. Very cool.
I kind of preferred the rules as they were. This is kind of a wall of text, hard to parse and will probably mostly go unread.
I think keeping the old and just adding the anti bot rule and attribution rule is fine. Just saying attribution must be kept on the image frame if possible is enough. I think bumping up the 2 limit per day max is alright but 5 might be a lot. Quality over quantity and all that.
I'm really against any kind of heavy handedness for raunchy comics, especially if it's about the joke and not the image itself. Having people tag the NSFW stuff (ie actual nudity, sexual content, dildos, etc) is fine imo.
For violence, I mean, we are all adults here and it's cartoon violence in any case. It just feels a bit puritanical to be hard on this kind of stuff. It doesn't really feel like a problem.
Sorry if this is overly critical. Thanks for the help!
This seems great!
I am concerned for the family friendly ruleπ Will nsfw comics be banned? will jokes that are sexual in nature be banned? There is this one comic that often just has casual nudity f.ex - would that be banned?
Hello, and thanks for stepping up.
Bots and AI are cool...
Does this mean the no AI generated comics rule is gone?
Edit: no, it's still in place.
~~Honestly, I think most people here, me included, don't want AI content in this community. It's low effort and there's already other places for gen ai stuff :S please, reconsider this one.~~
...but we value genuine human effort in posts... This is not the place for that sort of thing.
I was trying to be concise, and cheeky, but I see where that might be confusing. Let's see if we can make this more clear:
Comics should be made and posted by real human beans, not by automated means like bots or AI. This is not the community for that sort of thing.
I am also open to any suggestions you or others may have on wording this better.