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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 29 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

No, I think he’s saying if you can’t afford to live here, you should die.

[–] ductTapedWindow@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

No, I think he's saying if you know I'm the enemy, I should die.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago

There's some lucrative career opportunities opening up in that field. The right candidate could go straight to the bottom!

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 12 hours ago

"If you're tired, if you're poor, if you're among the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, please get the fuck out of here."

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 19 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

How has Ben's head not caved in from his phenomenal lack of brain?

Nazi gold. Endless nazi gold.

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

It's supported by the structural integrity of his incredibly thick skull

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

It's just empty, it's not a vacuum.

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

The acoustics in his head must be phenomenal.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

It's wild that the "land of the free, home of the brave" let a bunch of incel basement dwelling grifter losers take over and tank the nation.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

If America has failed to provide paths to success for it's own citizen, it's because the very successful have destroyed those paths, not because Americans have failed. The end of this thinking is America is inhabited only by very rich people and slaves, regardless of whether they are citizens or not. This thinking will kick out the tired, the poor, the huddled American masses yearning to be free that it created. Shapiro and co are absolutely incapable of compassion or empathy except in their own self interest.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

Remove the "here" from the end and you just have current republican policy

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Canada's full, fuck off please. Thank you.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

On average it isn't any cheaper to live in Canada, Canada does offer more social services at least.

[–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Classic Canada, such jokers; anyay, is your couch a foldout?

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago

They fucked up that country so bad, him and his allies, I kinda agree with him (it disgusts me to say that). You don't want to go down with that sinking ship. Get the fuck out.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago

Ben's yarmulke game is on point like usual. Tiny, and the exact shade as his hair so that the anti-Semites in his target demographic won't see it, but he's still technically dressed the way his religion tells him to.

He could of course, choose not to court the types of people that turn out to be antisemitic, but you know, that would involve not making everything worse.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

How can the same folks who can't afford to live afford to emigrate again?

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

The rich think it's easy to travel and that anyone can just do it.

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 27 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Why not, and im spitballing here, make America great?

[–] dansemacabreingalone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I cut my teeth in left circles doing illegalist social work in a couple parts of northern california 15 or so years ago. Every experienced person who worked with unhoused populations knew theres a certain kind of people who get made victims at a shocking rate. Those really deranged out-there people usually with severe addictions who nobody would believe often had stories about police kidnapping them and holding them in foreclosures to torture them for a while, often with injuries to match. Everybody knew about the chicago pd making it formal with homan square and the various shit they get up to. Every department does it in their own way.

Earlier this year i had to spend some time in los angeles without much to do. I decided to get a feel for the streets. I noticed three in one long day of layover, wandering the city. One eye and two fingers, taken relatively clean and cauterized. Each on a different person. Three in one day, just wandering around. Just me. None of them commented. All the injuries looked within the past couple days, still black on the edges with little red fissures. The one I asked looked scared, tried to talk about anything else. I didnt even have to wonder where they came from.

Half of every municipal budget funds this. I don't know what percentage of the fed budget goes to funding the exploding of schools, international torture prisons, and the suppression of renewable energy along with other fossil fuel subsidies.

So what about that is fixable? The way they manage natural resources? Their vibrant healthy cultural practices? Their intellectual tradition? American cuisine? Their beautiful and unique architecture? You want to save america, what the fuck are you saving? Apple pie? The dutch do it better. Jazz? The best jazz musicians havent been from here since 1991; the soviet union still existed.

The land; that stuff that votes? I guess thats pretty cool. Got some good nature left, but clock's ticking on all that.

Fuck america. Any dozen randon people who aren't wholly owned could make something better.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago

Because DWS rigged the 2016 primaries

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

America can only be great if all the poor people leave, duh.

[–] Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works 36 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

A new life awaits you in the off world colonies!

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 6 points 13 hours ago

Service Guarantees Citizenship*

*exclusions apply

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 140 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

For context, he was speaking about living in expensive metropolitan cities, suggesting people move into less expensive places within the US, like the interior states. Ben says enough stupid shit to mock without isolating a quote from context to make it seem like he said/meant something else entirely.

Hell, there's plenty to push back on with this quote and argument even understanding what he actually meant. "Just move somewhere cheaper". Like that's a much easier thing to say than do.

  1. If you're unable to afford living where you are, then you're probably going to struggle to afford the costs of moving. Then there's the logistics of finding work and housing wherever you move to from another state. If you don't have money to coast on for temporary housing, gas and food, you either need a company willing to hire you and provide you assistance to move or a personal connection in the area that'll let you crash on their couch.

  2. Your field of work may just not exist in Guthrie, Oklahoma, or wherever. Leaving metro areas may mean changing careers. And those careers may not pay anywhere near as much either. Your costs may go down, but your wages might go with it.

  3. Leaving your home city means leaving all of your support structures. Your parents, siblings, friends, peers, etc. Some people may really depend on those. Or maybe someone depends on you specifically. Maybe your mom isn't healthy? Maybe you have a sister dealing with addiction? Maybe they need your presence to ensure their care.

  4. There are political, legal, and health considerations in changing states. Do you have an active sex life and don't want to be afraid that you'll die from an unaborted ectopic pregnancy? Have a trans child? Are you not white? Then you may be more limited in suitable places to live outside of metropolitan city.

  5. This sidesteps the actual problem here, the why of it all. Why they can't afford to live in the city they grew up in. Why is pay so bad? Why is housing so expensive? Why are groceries so expensive? But no, no. We can't question or address those things. That's just business baby. Free market capitalism at work. Let it ride, unregulated. Just move your ass out of the way to Hastings, Nebraska or some shit.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 2 points 3 hours ago

Terrific, balanced comment, though

  1. He wants you to die.
[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 43 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Your comment is exactly why they say this type of thing and why it always works for them: they spit out a curt catchphrase/gotcha/“just asking questions” and to even begin to address the absurdity of it you need a bulleted list of all the ways it’s wrong. By then, even the non-red pilled person has moved on and lost interest before reading a rebuttal, but they remember the original talking point. It’s worked far too well for far too long.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

It's an aggressive mix of the gish gallop and motte and bailey fallacies.

They won't even own their own viewpoints once you've gone through the effort of pulling apart the claim and addressing it. They'll tell you that you're reading too deep into it, misinterpreting it, all while putting out more nonsense for you to address.

There's nothing you can do with the average person not being invested enough in politics to inquire further, and the lack of controls on public speakers. Except stoop to their level I suppose.

[–] cybernihongo@reddthat.com 5 points 16 hours ago

"Never Play Defense," right?

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago
  1. It doesn't scale. Where the problematic economic demographic is 50%+ percent of the pop and 70% live in cities no substantial portion effected could go live in all the Guthries in the nation. People are concentrated for reasons as old as civilization.
  2. It often wouldn't help. Outside of shelter and taxes most goods don't vary much or all by market and wages do.

One could find yourself spending an overlarge portion of your money on rent in an urban market move for cheaper rent and find the difference in wages makes up the difference in rent and now you need to afford everything else on less total wages.

  1. Cheaper markets have worse services and safety nets. Those who already rely on good medial benefits in urban centers in blue states would find little savings in moving into the boondocks in their own states and would lose more in health care alone than they gain in rent moving to bumfuck
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

So I will concede that he doesn't give half a shit about 4, and thinks that people who have less rights in interior states shouldn't have those rights anywhere. Furthermore I think he wants to separate the victims of his beliefs from ordinary working class people. Easier to hate a caricature of someone when they aren't your neighbor.

But I'll add 2 more:

  1. The cost of living is going up in many previously cheap places now too. Some it's not, my first apartment is apparently cheaper now than when I lived there, but it's not a place many people are going to want to live. The nearest cities which are historically budget friendly cities on the other hand are no longer budget friendly. And no the places that are cheap aren't scenic bumfuck nowhere, it's small towns that aren't pretty and don't have much to do, even outdoors stuff.

  2. Cheaper places are increasingly non functional in basic governance and public services. Public transit? Yeah good fucking luck even in the cities people think should be fine. When you get to really small bumfuck nowhere you better hope you don't need medicine fast, Benny boy helped ensure that the hospitals in those places shut down by fighting against Medicare and Medicaid. The water? Contaminated. What are you getting for your taxes? A bad school, a censored library, asshole cops who are bored when you're coming home from the city, and not much else.

Alternatively high cost of living areas are starting to engage in urbanist policies which will reduce the cost of living. Sure you won't have a big yard in the city for cheap, but a reasonable sized apartment at a decent price or a reasonable priced house in the suburbs are possible.

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[–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 24 points 20 hours ago

Why is anyone giving this shitheel attention?

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 191 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I think he’s suggesting you die

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Well... ok... I guess if we are going to die by the millions then we should... I dont know... die doing something... what ever that is...

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[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 16 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

Emigrate to, immigrate from.

edit: I'm still confused but probably wrong here.

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 10 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Do I ? Emigrating is going away, immigrating is coming in, right?

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Right, so you're emigrating from America and you're immigrating to, say, Zimbabwe.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It's both, depending on perspective. You emigrate from America to Zimbabwe according to other Americans. To Zimbabweans, you have immigrated to Zimbabwe from America.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Right. You don't contradict me. You emigrate from somewhere if that's your subject. And you immigrate to somewhere.

To put it more simply. You can emigrate from America. Or you can immigrate to America.

You flipped it, that's the opposite of what you said initially.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

So in other words emigrating from (going away from) and immigrating to (coming in to), i.e. your initial comment is backwards.

You got it right this time, but not in the original comment.

Were you stoned when you typed it? Are you still stoned?

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[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 13 points 20 hours ago

I'm emigrating from the USA and I am immigrating to Iran.

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