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Relations between the U.S. and the Catholic Church have not been the same since January, when senior U.S. defense officials shared an abrasive message with a Vatican official.

Days after Pope Leo XIV delivered his State of the World speech, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre, the Vatican's U.S. representative, to a closed-door Pentagon meeting for a bitter lecture.

"The United States," Colby said, according to a blistering new report by The Free Press, "has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side."

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Smells like weakness to me.

[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm kind of waiting for: God has decided to back Trump for now but patience wearing thin or some such similar ridiculousness in this reality.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

Leo better be careful, when the US wanted a Polish Pope to support strikers and disrupt Poland, CIA just murdered John Paul I to get a Polish Pope.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 49 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

MAGA has no concept of soft power. They just don't get it, do they?

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"Might makes right" authoritarianism has no use for it. Why bother with getting people to like you when you have all the guns? Besides, these troglodytes are a pretty unlikable bunch in the first place - it's simply not how they navigate the world.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

"You can do anything you like with bayonets, except sit on them" Talleyrand, circa 1815

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Well, they're clearly aware enough to feel threatened by it, given that that's all the power the Vatican holds

[–] CanadaPlus@futurology.today 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The idea seems to be to use the hard power to make the soft power go away.

It doesn't work like that of course, but fascists are gonna fascist.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 8 hours ago

Time for the Pope to start using the excomunicato hammer again.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 32 points 9 hours ago

Time for the Pope to call a crusade. Deus Vult.

[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 61 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

There you have it, if you had any doubts that the US has been taken over by a bunch of crazy people. In their words, they can do whatever they want, but they barely accomplish a thing.

[–] CatZoomies@lemmy.world 28 points 9 hours ago

Barely accomplish a thing?

What are you talking about?! Didn’t you see that the Dow was over 50,000 for a time period? Why are you laughing?

Trump was also gifted a glorious jumbo jet that we are using as Air Force One for the remainder of his term! And afterward, they said (on record by the way) it will be donated to the Trump Library! That’s how much they respect us!

And also, we ended the Iran war that they started! Look what they made us do to them! And we got— uh… what did we get again for winning? Anyway, we won and the straight thingie, the thing that we need to open? Hormel reopened (and they’re great by the way), where we put the oil is now ready to oil for us less price gas for all Americans now hence. We’re winning for days, so the Catholic Church needs to pick a side - and from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Uh, you think they've been taken over just recently? Trump just exposes what's been going on for decades through his borderline personality disorder.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Yeah, the falacy that over a hundred million of people in the US just suddenly woke up and decided that they wanted their country to be controlled by a derranged multi-millionaire extremelly high on the Narcissist spectrum parroting near-Fascist and outright Fascist ideas, doesn't hold up to even the most cursory logical analysis.

Only tribalist supporters of the "other party", who thus desperatelly want to believe their tribal chiefs are not at all to blame in any way form or shape for America going down the path that led to a double Trump victory, will cherry pick and twist "evidence", and be very selective in the logical explanations they're willing to consider, to create logically-sounding (for the unthinking) theories that exhonerate their own chiefs that are so beyond real Logic that they're akin to using "Magic" as explanation.

The field from were votes for somebody like Trump were a bountiful harvest has for decades been plowed and fertilized by American politicians and by American billionaires using the Press and Think Tanks their own.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

LOL

It's fascinating that the Pope gets threatened for being critical of Donald, and not, you know, facilitating an international child trafficking ring.

[–] mPony@kbin.earth 7 points 6 hours ago

there can be only one

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 22 points 10 hours ago

Maga Yanks are total nutters

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 91 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Bananskal@nord.pub 38 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

That context though... Thanks for that!

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 23 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

In this day and age, literally anything sounds like it could be true, so I try to take some especially inflammatory things with a healthy grain of salt.

Also, with a suspiciously generic name like "Free Press", you bet I'm looking at your credentials!

[–] Bananskal@nord.pub 1 points 16 minutes ago

You're doing us a solid by posting your findings. You didn't have to do that, but ya did. 🤝

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 5 points 9 hours ago

With these fuckers it always seems right though.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 43 points 14 hours ago

In what fucking world does it make sense that i ally myself with the pope. I hate this timeline

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

this reminds me of that Bogdanoff twins meme

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 11 hours ago

Idiot sub-adolescents thinking they're smart

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 hours ago

It's cool. None of this really matters anyways with the whole separation of church and state.

[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 44 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The pope could do the funniest thing rn and call a crusade on the US

[–] Nikelui@lemmy.world 33 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Why bother? Just excommunicate the usual suspects, and watch the cognitive dissonance of the ultra-catholics.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 11 hours ago

Please, I've been wanting this since he killed the last pope 😭😭😭

[–] bluegreenpurplepink@lemmy.world 23 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Six of our nine Supreme Court Justices are Catholics.

[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Yeah not the usual breed are they? I’m from a catholics family and the horrors they enable are absolutely alien to the principles I grew up with. They whole of them would be ripe for hell if that was a thing…

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, but at least two are opus dei, which will gladly oppose the pope if they feel he's in their way.

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[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 9 hours ago

How many divisions does he have?

[–] tal@lemmy.today 46 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (23 children)

https://catholicvote.org/pew-poll-52-of-catholics-including-61-of-white-catholics-back-trump-over-harris/

Pew poll: 52% of Catholics including 61% of white Catholics back Trump over Harris

Should be interesting to see how that plays with the electorate.

EDIT: Also, I don't have my finger on the pulse of the Catholic Church in the US, but the current pope, Leo XIV, was the first born in the US. I know that John Paul II, Polish, was the first Polish pope and was highly-regarded in Poland, and I can imagine that there might be a similar effect in the US among American Catholics.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

American catholicism has been on the verge of schism for years. The anti woke side hates Leo, the other side is proud of him, but were also proud of Francis. They (we at the time) were proud to have a pope from our hemisphere and one intent on reform and fighting the far right faction. It's hard for American Catholics of any stripe to be proud for the past few years given the archbishop being excommunicated over schismatism and the fact that that's not even close to resolved.

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