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Animal identity politics (pet vs food) (infosec.pub)

submitted 15 hours ago by powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works to c/stupidpol@sh.itjust.works

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Everybody tacitly understands that vegetarians and vegans have a point, that industrial animal husbandry as currently practiced is a moral blight on this earth, but it is ridiculous to pretend not to understand the quite special place that dogs occupy in human culture and society across history. Even cultures that previously or currently consume dog meat also conceive of dogs as companions or co-laborers. The idea of the dog having a unique internal life and being part of the family is relatively new, but dogs and humans have never been far apart, far longer than any other domesticated animal.

Second, shoe-horning in vegan talking points is just as bad as shoe-horning in relatively fringe identity issues when discussing political and class issues.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

it is ridiculous to pretend not to understand the quite special place that dogs occupy in human culture and society across history.

Dogs only have that "special place" because we gave it to them. What's the argument here? Dogs have earned the right to not be treated like pigs?

Second, shoe-horning in vegan talking points is just as bad as shoe-horning in relatively fringe identity issues when discussing political and class issues.

The topic of this meme is obviously a vegan one, so I don't see how this is shoe-horning.

it is ridiculous to pretend not to understand the quite special place that dogs occupy in human culture and society across history.

[–] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 hours ago

What's wrong with the top picture? Hot dogs are so good

[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Are you tacitly implying that you'd have no qualm if someone was okay with both? The argument being made is that people are hypocrites for calling one a pet and one food.... so if theyre both pets, thats okay... and if theyre both food, thats okay too, right? As long as someone isn't a hypocrite.

[–] 1D10@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone is a hypocrite, it's just a matter of where you draw the line, killing dogs is bad,killing cows is bad, killing people is bad, killing murderers is bad, killing butterflies is bad, killing cockroaches is bad, killing parasites is bad, killing germs is bad, killing bacteria is bad. Pick a spot and ignore everything to the right of that.

How do we determine the worth of a life? Is a human worth more than a cow? How many ant lives equal 1 chicken life?

Personally I respect all life, and I also raise butcher and eat animals, it's hypocritical and I honestly don't care.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

I wouldn't call that hypocrisy. I'd call that cognitive dissonance. You don't respect all life, you only think that you do.

Hypocrisy would be demanding that other people follow a standard that you don't hold yourself. Your standard seems to be...all standards are arbitrary. You can use this "logic" to justify anything. If we can't determine the worth of a life, then killing anybody could be justified.