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Required readings would include passages from Old and New Testament for students in middle school

The conservative-majority Texas State Board of Education is considering adding at least 15 passages from the Bible to a required reading list as part of English lessons in public schools – the latest push from conservatives to implement Christianity into school curriculums.

Beginning in middle school, Texas students could be forced to read stories from the Bible including Jonah and the Whale, David and Goliath, and Lamentations 3 in addition to passages such as The Definition of Love from the New Testament, according to the list reported by the New York Times.

The new proposed changes have raised concerns from advocacy groups and academics who believe the changes will teach children a one-sided history lesson and “indoctrinate” students.

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[–] DaleGribble88@programming.dev 4 points 1 hour ago

Like others in here, I have a lot of concerns about indoctrination and separation between religion and government. However, I can see a serious argument for Jonah and the Whale and especially David and Goliath as cultural touchstones that are regularly referenced in modern media. Other stories may be a harder pitch, maybe Cain & Abel?

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Kids, there's plenty of verses to read from if you're called upon. Try this one first:

NIV Ezekiel 23:20 "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 hours ago

I don't mind them reading the Bible, if they are able to read the whole thing, one end to the other. For many people, a thorough reading of the bible beginning to end is what causes them to question Christianity and realize that it is a population control tool for those with power (and riches), not the word of a God. It is such an incoherent mess that cannot literally be followed - if you follow one edict, you break another. Reading it destroys the idea that an all powerful, all knowing God was it's roundabout creator. If there was a God surely it could have done a better job, even using inadequate humans to produce the product. So, after reading, you know it was a man made project. The Koran and Torah yield similar results. I think that is the main reason why religions try, or have tried in the past, to restrict reading to a select few leaders and try to keep the propaganda to what they want it to mean at any given time in history.

[–] leftascenter@jlai.lu 6 points 4 hours ago

I hope they study James 5....

Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 5 points 4 hours ago

One of the biggest mistakes resulting from the Protestant Reformation's push for the proliferation of Bibles was the belief that one can just pick the thing up and read it like it's any other book, divorced from the tradition that wrote and shaped it. The whole idea that God assembled 66 books and bound them up in leather and dropped it from heaven is both foreign to the vast majority of Christian thinking throughout history AND grounds for a very dangerous heresy (turning the Bible into the "ultimate" revelation of God, rather than Jesus being that or at the very least redefining the Trinity as "Father, Son, and Holy Scriptures").

The funny thing is, is that the same people who hold to an idea that if everyone read the Bible the world would be better are the same who offer selective readings and ignore/downplay the parts they don't like (as we see in this proposal).

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

There are some passages they could read to open their eyes about religion. Those that their pastor never uses in church...

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 4 points 4 hours ago

I grew up Southern Baptist, was in church EVERY Sunday morning, Sunday evening, and Wednesday evening. I also went to the school attached to our church from first grade through high school and was extremely involved in our youth group. I wound up having a bit of a messy break-up with the Southern Baptists and, after about two years of relative spiritual aimlessness, I found the Episcopal Church (which is quite different from the Southern Baptists, what with our women and Queer clergy and openness to a variety of things now deemed "woke"). I remember the Sunday when I heard both the reading and a sermon from Matthew 24 (the part where Jesus talks about His return and says "what you do for the least of these you do for me") and, I swear, I'd never heard that part before then. If I had, we must've just glossed over it. But it was like hearing from a completely different religion and made me really excited about being a Christian.

[–] Toothy@lemmus.org 5 points 6 hours ago

So many in fact they have a Kids Bible

[–] oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago

Oh helllll no.

[–] GutterRat42@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Force them to read the whole bible. Nobody who actually reads the bible remains a theist.

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I've read the Bible through many times. Both in times of belief and in times of doubt. I wound up becoming an Episcopal priest. I'd argue that the more someone reads the Bible and truly studies it the less likely they are to remain "literalists" when it comes to the Bible. Which also has the effect of broadening one's view of God.

[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Have you read the Quran? How about the Tripitaka? The Torah?

Have you perchance read any texts regarding the The Satanic Temple?

[–] mghackerlady@leminal.space 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't know how common it is, but I'd be concerned if any high religious figure hasn't done some at the very least surface level study of world religions, past and present

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Shouldn’t the bible be subject to that age verification thing that’s going around? You know, to actually protect the children.

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly, the Bible talks about donkey dicks and horse cum!

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago

Also child slaughter. Some kids made fun of a dude for being bald, and god sent a bear to tear them apart. Wholesome story.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Talk about how to get kids to reject religion. Do they think this is going to convert these kids?

[–] kofe@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I don't think it's about conversion. I see it as keeping those already born and entrenched having it normalized as part of a "christian nation" to further prevent critical thinking.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 29 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Texas recently passed a law preventing books that involve sex from being in libraries. The story of Lot and his daughters, and the famous quote in Ezekiel mean the bible should be banned under that law.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 11 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Wasn't there a ruling that the Bible is exempted because it's "culturally important" or something?

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

That would exempt basically most banned books

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 7 points 9 hours ago

At this point I’m surprised they haven’t started rewriting the Bible to bring it inline with their version of the faith. You know, drop the commandment about not committing adultery and swap it with “Thou shalt not abort”. Instead of Jesus feeding the masses and preaching neighborly love he says “get a job you fucking poors” and “hate the gays”. Moses frees his people with the power of the 2nd Amendment.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Is this only old testament bullshit?

[–] oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Are your eyes broken?

Stop commenting on headlines.

Edit- nevermind you don't even need to go because OP posted the relevant part too.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Another section of Gilead being raised.

If you are in a comparative religions class or an ancient literature/mythology class and also reading passages from the Torah, Quran, Toa Te Ching, Bhagavad Gita, the teachings of Buddha, etc. for comparison, by all means, read the Bible. If you are just reading the Bible under a pretense to push Christianity onto students, push the law to its bounds and normalize indoctrination (and we know you are), then fuck all the way off.

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago

It is funny when you see one theocracy (Israel) in alliance with another (the US is a de facto theocracy, not a de jure one) bombing a third theocracy (Iran) killing indiscriminately. And they all believe in the same God, practicing similar methods, only their rituals of worship are different. Is there a more obvious fact that religion is the source of all evil in human history?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Freedom of religion (of our choice, not yours).

[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

From the "your body my choice" crowd? Ya, that tracks.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

How to cause school shootings 101

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[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I am just going to leave this here again

(https://ffrf.org/outreach/ffrf-chapters/)

Isn't a bad idea to get involved

we need in person community organization, like yesterday.

get involved.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 99 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Well maybe this will do something to increase their reading levels. And as they say, one of the best ways to lose your Christian faith is to read the Bible.

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

They'll start with sanitized versions of select excerpts and build up tolerance and indoctrination.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Its clear their choice of old testament nonsense they don't intend to teach them anything interesting.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, this isn't going to be a free-for-all. Little Suzy isn't going to be able to write an essay on any part she chooses. This will just be bringing Sunday school into public schools. Lessons that are happy and further indoctrinate, avoiding any sort of critical thinking.

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 40 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, a lot of Christians never read it and just assume it is full of profound wisdom. If fact, it is mostly boring bullshit that hasn’t aged well. People are used to better writing nowadays, and even children today are less ignorant about the nature of the world than the average adult from the period when the Bible was being written.

[–] redsand 2 points 7 hours ago

Less than 10% of surveyed Christians have read 🙄 The Greatest Story Ever Told

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago

It. Is. Soooop boring. And vague. There's a reason an entire priesthood exists to elaborate on and interpret it.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 58 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

I could honestly see this backfiring in a really funny way. Not only will they actually try harder to get them to learn to read, but in my experience kids tend to hate books they are forced to read. In the setting that is church there's more of a peer pressure from all the other kids and adults to learn the bible. In high-school/middle-school there's peer pressure to not read the books you are supposed to read save for those that love reading. The only books I remember reading from those years are the ones I chose to read while the ones I was told to read had left my brain almost entirely by my mid 20s

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

I dunno if that's always the case. I still love The Phantom Tollbooth.

On the other hand, I remember being really frustrated by a phrase from another book. (I think it was "Kneeknock Rise"? I remember exactly nothing else about this book, though, so it might not be that.) It was a description of a scene, and it said the dog was asleep, "arms and legs akimbo." Now, I was in... maybe third or fourth grade, so I had never encountered the word "akimbo" before, and asked my parents what it meant. They explained that "arms akimbo" was basically the only phrase in which it's used, and it means having your arms out to your sides with your elbows bent and your hands on your hips. But this just confused me further, because the book said "arms and legs akimbo." I had no idea what it was trying to describe, and could not picture it. I tried to draw a picture of what it seemed to be describing, and continued to find it baffling. My parents agreed that was odd, and suggested I talk to my teacher about it. The teacher was very dismissive, though, saying "well, obviously you've never had a dog, or you'd know exactly what they're talking about." Which...what? Why would you even say that to a curious kid? Couldn't you at least draw a doodle of what it looks like?

So yeah, being forced to stick with a book you don't like does leave a very strong negative impression.

[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Banned books are also popular.

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[–] atropa@piefed.social 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Beautiful, the bible is full of stories about murder, incest and adultery is a bestseller through the centuries.

Adjusted dozens of times so that the lies are more in line with the times.

[–] GameOverFlow@lemmy.zip 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Genesis 19:30-38

New International Version

Lot and His Daughters

^30^ Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. ^31^ One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. ^32^ Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”

^33^ That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

^34^ The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” ^35^ So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

^36^ So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. ^37^ The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab^[a]^; he is the father of the Moabites of today. ^38^ The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi^[b]^; he is the father of the Ammonites^[c]^ of today.

[–] AverageEarthling@feddit.online 6 points 9 hours ago

I always took that story to mean, Lot raped his daughters but then changed the story. People were pretty messed up back then.

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