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Donald Trump’s threats to carry out mass bombing of civilian infrastructure in Iran present US military officers with a dilemma: disobey orders or help commit war crimes.

It is an urgent matter for the US chain of command. In an expletive-laden threat, Trump set a Tuesday 8pm Washington time deadline for the Iranian government to open the strait of Hormuz or face “Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one”.

There is little debate among legal experts that such an attack on the life-supporting infrastructure for 93 million Iranians would constitute a war crime.

“Such rhetorical statements – if followed through – would amount to the most serious war crimes – and thus the president’s statements place service members in a profoundly challenging situation,” two former judge advocate general (JAG) officers, Margaret Donovan and Rachel VanLandingham wrote on the website Just Security on Monday.

“As former uniformed military lawyers who advised targeting operations, we know the president’s words run counter to decades of legal training of military personnel and risk placing our warfighters on a path of no return.”

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 5 points 23 minutes ago

I'm not saying it's easy, but it is simple. Disobey illegal orders.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 3 points 17 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

See the thing is is that you should be afraid of the consequences when you lose. Following illegal orders = war crimes.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 10 points 1 hour ago

They know the rules, and several elected officials reminded them in video messages that were very controversial.

They are walking into this with their eyes wide open, knowing the entire world is watching. If they accept those orders, and carry them out, they know it will not be forgotten, they will be punished for it eventually. They deserve no mercy if they follow that path.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 hour ago

Pedophile orders you to commit war crimes for which you know you eventually WILL be judged...

Mmmmm, that IS a tough one...

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago

Everyone with a functioning brain-cell knows that Trump is going to throw kegsbreath under the bus to save himself, and I for one can't wait to see his smug slick backed face hung for war crimes.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

You gotta be pretty low on the evolutionary ladder to obey orders from a felon rapist pedophile with dementia.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks you fucking maga idiots. We all told you what was up and you ignored us.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

They also ignored all their teachers.

That's how they became MAGAts.

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I bet all those big macho MAGAs are breaking down the doors at the recruiting office, riiiight?

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 1 points 54 minutes ago

We've already committed war crimes. Thus is just another day at the office.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Saluting the Commander and Thief of the US military for trying to claim the "#1 child killer" title.

Also has Congress rubber stamped this shit?

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Congressional Republicans are literal traitors. They rubberstamp anything Trump does.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago)

Not to bothsides the issue because Republicans are literal death cult pedophiles, but big-D Democrats are also complacent. They're using the war to fundraise but have been awfully quiet otherwise

(Seriously, my entire SMS history looks like this)

Literally all spam

[–] toad@lemmy.wtf 32 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Ah yes the nazi dilemma.

We solved that one in nuremberg. How is it even a question ffs

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Been a long time since then. It ain't that they forgot, it's that they think it shouldn't be their problem

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago

Sure. But they already fired or demoted most of the military leadership that wasn't on board with following absolutely any order, legal or otherwise. So now the "dilemma" falls mostly to lower-level officers and enlisted.

[–] BouteilleBrune@lemmy.world 38 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

aren't they illegal orders?

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

the kind of orders where following them would be committing war crimes

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 34 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

placing our warfighters on a path of no return

Can we go back to calling them soldiers?

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

These types of articles are annoying at this point -- the sort of appeal to morality things, based on essentially dead 'world order' concepts. Even when there was a quasi functional set of agreements in place, America just veto'd any attempt to hold it accountable anyhow. International law, or any law really, is largely based on some sort of 'force' that gives it authority -- in a country, that force is generally the state/police, and internationally it was generally the US-lead coalition of western nations. That authority died in 2025.

We've already seen the USA/Hegseth drag all his generals into a room and tell them to not be 'burdened by rules of engagement', encouraging them to commit war crimes openly in order to instill terror in others. Anyone who disagreed with his speech was basically shown the door. This was like a year ago even, it's not 'new'.

The USA basically shredded any moral dilemmas/debates in the process, and burnt the soft power they'd been cultivating for decades/generations in early 2025. What's the point of saying it's wrong based on an old, defunct system that they've already abandoned? If anything, the American right wing will likely cheer that they're getting these sorts of angsty pearl clutching responses from the left / foreign liberal powers. Trump quite literally bragged about America's war crimes in Venezuela during his state of the union address, cracking jokes to which all the republicans laughed and applauded. Trump's threats about Iran's civilian infrastructure, and the bets on whether he'll drop nukes -- these are things that the right wing / Americans want to see happen. They think it's right to do it.

So really, the article shouldn't be about "Oh No!! International Law may be violated!", but rather, "Why should people care about international law being violated, when they've already asserted that they disagree with that law and its results?". Like if/when Trump drops nukes on Irans civilian power plants/water desalination plants etc.... what then? Is there some sort of accountability that's gonna suddenly show up? Prolly not.

[–] toad@lemmy.wtf 3 points 3 hours ago

the solution would be an UN operation against the united states. They can't take all of us out.

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

I agree with your assessment and i share your fury about the situation.

One observation: repetition works. It may be hard to fathom, but lots of people voted for trump without any understanding of the world. lots of his supporters are evil, but some are stupid/ignorant/confused/misguided. trump’s support is falling - i won’t rule out that labeling his crimes and repeating the message that trump is a criminal may be working.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

The international order did not die in 2025, or rather it was on its death bed since long before then. But yes I agree.

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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

They are going to automate weaponry so soldiers never face a moral dilemma and get in the way of the war machine.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 4 points 2 hours ago

More like this with MAGA brainwash

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Reminds me of what's that show, the one without canned laughter, in Orange County California where the dumb brother joins the Army and is running Drone operations and they suspect his morality, suspecting he has some, and try to force him to crush a kitten and he refuses and they kick him out.

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