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I heard cachy was better than average arch in complexity. I am very new to Linux with minimal computer skills and have been very happy with bazzite but most of my friends I try to convert are cachy loyalists
CachyOS is still going to demand more from you than Bazzite in terms of computer skills...Manual interventions (because the Arch Team cannot help themselves but move too fucking fast). Not like I can complain about that, given I have openSUSE Tumbleweed installed and am in SELinux range.
Bazzite is nice, as it can be as simple or as complex as you'd like!
I am loving, loving KDE and Bazzite. It feels like such a mature operating system compared to ol' Windows :D
Better than normal Arch I guess.... idk I would give beginners Mint, Ubuntu or maybe Debian.
I'd recommend Ubuntu or Mint for most new users; straight up Debian only in cases when the user don't need the latest or greatest in terms of updated packages. As Debian is great, I've used it as extensively as Ubuntu...
However, Debian is built against older drivers and kernel, making it stable, if not a bit stale.
Ubuntu is a bit fresher with a higher kernel version (packages can still be behind something like openSUSE or Arch, Debian based distro truth). However, flatpaks allow for more recent software versions!
I install most of my software via Flatpak and Snap anyway, so I don't need the latest and greatest in terms of apt packages, and Debian brings the benefit of a rock solid base.
I agree, so many people disregard Debian, but if you're not gaming and don't need to keep up with the latest things - Debian is rock solid and most of your packages you can just use flatpak. For the majority of daily users who aren't gaming, I think it's a super solid choice.
Arch isn't necessarily unstable or "dreadful". It's a distro that requires the user to know what they're doing and to be a tinkerer by nature. Whether this is a feature or a downside is dependent on the user.
But I agree with you, recommending an Arch based distro to someone who is not a tinkerer and just wants to use the PC - which is the vast majority of PC users - is a mistake.
PS: I use EndeavourOS btw
Please I beg of you, just recommend people Mint. Catchy is great, itโs very easy and smooth as arch goes.
But if you have someone who is under the illusion that Linux is hard. The moment they have any issue it might frustrate them enough to bounce off. I know so many people who have gotten recommended some flavor of the week like Manjaro, Bazite, Pop_Os or Nobara, who that has happened with. Iโve never talked to anyone who was recommended Mint with Cinnamon, used it, and then decided it was too hard and went back to windows. Plenty of people will say โwell I used XYZ and didnโt have any issuesโ or the issues were minor enough and the answers easy enough that they stuck around, but thatโs survivorship bias, the people who didnโt deal with it arenโt here to say otherwise.
So just send them to cinnamon mint, there will be no hiccups, it will just work. Maybe later theyโll be like โyah, I kind of want to see what else is out thereโ and then they can try other things. I get that, cinnamon mint is limited in some ways, but not in ways a first time Linux user is going to care about.
Very true, I began my own linux journey, almost 20 years ago (fuck I feel old) with Ubuntu, not for any other reason other than it being the only linux distro that had any mass appeal, relatively speaking. But it was a perfect introduction to linux.
Debain-based distros are the way to go for linux newbs, but i'm sure some tech savvy people might like an arch based distro instead. All in all, experimentation, especially when you're young and not obligated to work or a wife and kids, is great for providing enough time to learn and grow in the linux world.
The first person I met who used Mint was asking me how to fix his Nvidia output stutter lol.
The answer was updated kernel shenanigans which is probably Mint's only weakness.
Anyways, that's usually why I recommend Fedora since I think it properly fits the same spot where Ubuntu was like 15 years ago. Cutting edge stable, large community, and much easier support than something more downstream.
That being said, a good chunk of users have been quite happy with stuff like Bazzite and CachyOS because they're mostly here to play games.
But yeah I agree, the popular recommendations of the week really need to be ignored for first time users. I still remember when they were pretty much all just Ubuntu downstreams that never fixed any of the upstream issues that Canonical created, which led to a ton of youtubers thinking Linux stability was behind.
On a similar note, it's also why I recommend literally any DE except GNOME. It looks and functions like a knockoff ChromeOS tablet, despite the fact that it used to be the home of Compiz 15+ years ago, which is the peak of desktop UX lol.
I hear a lot of love for Fedora.
Even though I happily run OpenSUSE Tumbleweed myself, I have run into the occasional "What the ever-loving heck" issue that I've had to stubbornly troubleshoot, and I worry that'd make some people run away crying.
I have a family member with a really old laptop enjoying Mint, but my wife's and my best buddy's gaming PCs might be worth giving Fedora a shot on.
Like me, they need those updated Nvidia drivers and Wayland, and honestly most importantly for familiarity + cool-new-thing factor: KDE plasma 6! ;)
Zorin OS is also a good choice if they have a high resolution screen, because Mint's Cinnamon desktop has awful screen tearing when you increase the scaling.
Of my friend group we've got 2 people on Kubuntu, 2 running Pop_OS, 1 with a Steam Deck running Steam OS, and 2 running Bazzite. We've all dipped our toes in Linux over the years in various ways and at various times/
Funnily enough I'm the only one who started on Mint, everyone else started on Ubuntu (well, except Steam Deck guy).
Personally I've only dipped my toes into CachyOS in the last few weeks. The main reason was due to it being talked about a lot and a more popular distro will be easier to get help with.
I've been using Linux for 20 years: Ubuntu, Arch, elementaryOS, etc. I've tried and used a bunch of them.
But I need to get work done. I don't have time to tinker anymore.
I've switched to Mint last year. Best choice ever. It just works, easy peasy.
Funny, i'm also 20 years into linux, but i still love to tinker, and im slowly teaching my child how to use linux. I'm literally installing arch right now as I type this. I love customizing the OS, and ive built a post OS install script to handle all the software and driver stuff.
I think SteamOS Desktop is what will tip the balance. People want a corporation with a familiar and quality reputation. CachyOS, Bazzite, Fedora, Arch, Red Hat, all are just weird entities that the ordinary person wouldn't know.
As for myself, I will pick CachyOS or SteamOS, depending on what reviews say when comparing the two. I want flexibility for modding and some other power-casual stuff, but also want documentation and a large community of people familiar with my OS of choice. SteamOS is likely to be that choice, assuming that Valve doesn't mess up.
Why is cachyOS the current thing?
YouTube and social media drive a lot of it. I call them bandwagon distros.
Yeah I thought that might be it.
Good performance, easy to use, easy to install. GUI for everything you need if you prefer.
Because it's what I'm using and I'm a victim of the availability hueristic.
I do like it though. I didn't try Endeavor OS but figure it's similar.
it's the current arch based distro that makes arch more accessible to newcomers
(Sad forgotten Endeavour OS noises.)
I accidentally convinced my friend to try CachyOS last week. Despite owning a Steamdeck he didn't know Proton worked outside of SteamOS and was surprised when I said I was playing on Linux (even though I'm sure I mentioned it ages ago). He then decided to give it a go and picked CachyOS himself.
On W11 I have gotten 2 popup ads for copilot today. Linux users, i know you think W11 is bad but its worse than you think.
Gone from Windows to Ubuntu based to Fedora based to finally an Arch based distro with CachyOS over the last couple of years and I have never once regretted making the jump.
Especially since I still have a windows install that I use for a couple of very specific uses that I can't do on Linux and it's a pain in the proverbial every single time.
Finally cutting the cord on Windows due to finally breaking free from the last bits of software keeping you there feels so good.
When those gaps in when you boot into that Windows partition get further and further apart until the day it finally happens. The day that you no longer remember the last time you booted into that Windows machine. The day you can finally let yourself be free.
For me the last pieces were Lightroom and Fusion360.
I'll Bully Spam every gaming CEO until they support ONE god damn Linux distro like SteamOS. SLOP MICROSLOP SLOP, anticheat doesn't fix shit! BF6 is basically proof.
Iโm a NixOS fanboy now :/
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I recently swapped from Aurora, a Fedora immutable distro with KDE, to Cachy on my AMD 7040 Framework 13. I'm loving it. I use plain Arch on my desktop, so I felt right at home for the most part, and it really does just work.
It also fuckin' flies my dudes.
i used to use cacht, but after updating to kde plasma 6.6 it would freeze after i put the correct login and password. thankfully it has snapshots, so i could just not update it for a while.
i waited for 6.6.1, and instead of freezing it just closed and reopened the login page. 6.6.2 went back to freexing forever.
so i gave up, and installed base arch to see if that'd work, and it did! i also found out that archinstall is a thing! (i had installed arch manually many times a while back, and the clock time always broke) i did break it once by not configing limine snapper correctly, but now it's great, and feels basically equal to cachy (except things don't break and there isn't a bunch of unecessary programs installed)
This has been fixed since then.
Also to get around it just press ctrl alt f2 and sign in in the window that appears. But like I said, no need since it has been fixed.
Still unacceptable
People just want something that works reliably
That's why bleeding edge distributions should not be recommended to new users.
Yea edging until you bleed isnโt a good thing
recommends arch based distros to everyone
โWait why do you guys say linux is complex and difficult!?โ
CachyOS is a good option. maybe not as a brand new person to Linux but it's fast and has everything you need.
Bazzite is fine too if you just depend on flatpaks which might make a windows to linux transition easier.
I'm currently trying PikaOS for the week and it's ok. It's fast, games as well if not ever so slightly better than CachyOS, but it feels a little TOO opinionated. For example if you install the Niri version (and I assume the hyprland version also) Kitty is baked into it to the point were potentially removing kitty breaks other dependencies. I don't like that. Kitty is a bloated mess of a terminal and I'd much rather use Foot. Also the Pikabar thing is garbage. it's a fork of Noctalia with ALL the options stripped out of it for whatever reason. But PikaOS is very easy to install and fairly minimal with what it does install. It's nice but it's kinda all over the place with things.
I'll probably just end up going back to NixOS in a week anyways.