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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"Why were they arrested for cras- sudden realization Oooh, oh no.."

Whoever came up with the idea of electronic, non-mechanical door handles needs to be put on trial for crimes against humanity. So many people have been stuck in burning or sinking vehicles due to this horrifically blatant design flaw of requiring power to get out of the goddamn vehicle.

[–] psud@aussie.zone -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Tesla model 3 does have mechanical door release mechanisms (at least for the front doors

It's in the door pocket, under the rubber liner at the bottom of the pocket

People really need to read the owners manual for their cars, but also companies that make innovative changes to basic safety systems like door handles should make some effort to inform their customers how to bypass those things

Other things tesla fails to tell their customers, aside from in the owner's manual, include that pressing and holding the park button activates emergency braking

The article was wrong that the electronic door latching prevents people outside helping those trapped in the car, the outside handle are mechanical, they will work unless the door is locked

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Tesla model 3 does have mechanical door release mechanisms (at least for the front doors

It’s in the door pocket, under the rubber liner at the bottom of the pocket

Having a mechanical backup hidden away in an awkward place isnt the solution, You cant expect someone who is actively being burned alive to stop, rub their chin, and go "Ah, right, the hidden mechanism that I have to excavate to access".

Just use a fucking normal door latch. Something you can grab in a panic and actually get out of the fucking vehicle before you end up the main course at a luau.

People really need to read the owners manual for their cars, but also companies that make innovative changes to basic safety systems like door handles should make some effort to inform their customers how to bypass those things

Its not innovative. Its stupid, idiotic, and dangerous. You shouldnt have to know how to bypass them, because your door should just fuckin work, regardless if theres power or not.

The article was wrong that the electronic door latching prevents people outside helping those trapped in the car, the outside handle are mechanical, they will work unless the door is locked

Which most are, considering most people lock their doors, and hell most modern cars automatically lock them when its put in drive.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 63 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

After some googling, the "Why?!" in the image seems to be completely bullshit, though.

  1. Electric cars have a way lower amount of deaths from fire than petrol cars. So why would there be outrage about Tesla fire safety?

  2. The comparison in the image also completely ignores number of cars on the street, total miles driven. All car models will have fire deaths. Without scaling with number of cars, you are just always going to be outraged at the number of deaths for the most popular car model...

  3. The outrage about the Ford Pinto was because it was a known specific defect which was covered up (fuel tank rupturing when rear ended), more than the number of deaths in itself. As far as I can tell, the number of fire deaths were actually not extraordinarily high for the Pinto. Hence comparing this not especially high number to Tesla for outrage purposes is meaningless.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's absolutely zero chance that Tesla isn't covering up stuff right now about the safety of their vehicles. Zero.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

it was a known specific defect which was covered up

It was not covered up, the Pinto had the same fuel tank design as other manufacturers, it's just at that period of time, Ford had more cash.

Lawyers do not sue to justice, they sue for cash.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

This isn’t true. Read up on some details of the lawsuit. Although Ford had designs overseas with fuel tank behind the rear axle, not one model by Ford or others had 9” or less crush space like the Pinto. They had meetings and reports to discuss crash test results that showed the Pinto vulnerable to fuel spillage based on proposed federal crash tests. They decided to defer any improvements until 1976 to accrue $20 million in savings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimshaw_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The 1937 New London School gas explosion killed 295 students and teachers.

[–] pfried@reddthat.com 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

New London School is joke to you?

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 133 points 3 days ago (8 children)
  1. How come Elon hasn’t been sued into bankruptcy over these deaths?
  2. How is FSD not outright criminal fraud?
  3. How is not having accessible door handles in a fire allowed, legal, and not the source of massive lawsuits?
  4. How is FSD allowed when it’s objectively one of the least safe driving modes around?

Fuck, this is like a fractal of liability that somehow they never get in trouble for. Everywhere you look it gets worse.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago
  1. They haven't been found to be at fault for enough crashes to cost more than their profits
  2. It seems to work well for most people
  3. They have mechanical door releases, they are detailed in the owner's manual
  4. It seems to have fewer fatal accidents than human drivers, try not to mistake highly reported collisions for high rate collisions
[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 75 points 3 days ago
  1. He’s disgustingly rich.
  2. He’s disgustingly rich.
  3. He’s disgustingly rich.
  4. He’s disgustingly rich.

They have been sued, but it doesn’t matter, because that’s just the cost of doing business. (If the punishment for a crime is a fine, it’s only illegal for poor people to do it.)

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 27 points 3 days ago

Well you see, being the world's richest person enables him to do whatever he wants without repercussion. And what's a poorer person going to do, go bankrupt and homeless fighting his lawyers?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

How come Elon hasn’t been sued into bankruptcy over these deaths?

Class Action Lawsuits: A major class-action lawsuit was certified in August 2025 by a California judge, representing Tesla owners who claim they were misled by marketing regarding the autonomous capabilities of FSD, with plaintiffs seeking refunds for purchased software.

Active Crash Litigation: Litigation is ongoing in at least eight cases involving the use of Tesla Autopilot/FSD during a fatal or serious crash, according to reports as of March 2024. This includes lawsuits alleging the system fails to detect objects, such as a case in Washington state involving a motorcyclist.

$243 Million Damages Verdict: In February 2026, a federal court upheld a verdict ordering Tesla to pay $243 million in damages regarding a fatal 2025 crash involving Autopilot, marking a significant legal loss for the company.

NHTSA Probes & Recalls: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is investigating over 2.9 million Tesla vehicles regarding FSD’s ability to follow traffic laws (including running red lights). In early 2026, this shifted to a "recall query" to verify the effectiveness of a previous software update aimed at fixing the issues.

Criminal Investigation: Reports in 2024 indicated that Tesla is under federal criminal investigation over claims that the company misled consumers and investors about its autonomous driving features.

Tesla would have been shut down if idiots didn't elect a corrupt President literally selling Teslas on the White House Lawn.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also:

  1. How is it that the company that makes this shit has a price-to-earnings ratio of 326 and a market cap of $1.3 trillion. Meanwhile Toyota makes good dependable cars and has a P/E ratio of 11.41 and a market cap of $266 billion, even though Toyota sells 10x as many cars.
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

Because STONKS.

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tesla has been sued. But their brilliant legal defense is that full self driving needs the driver's full attention to take over. These accidents are human error Not Tesla

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 21 points 3 days ago

In this accident I'm sure Autopilot disengaged half a second before the crash, that somehow proves it wasn't Autopilot's fault.

[–] youcantreadthis@quokk.au 8 points 3 days ago

You seem to get the point of laws backwards.

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[–] divingdonkey@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Huh, I guess if I let go of the steering wheel in my car, it's also going to self-drive into a tree, or wall, or car, even without all the fancy marketing by it's maker of self-driving capabilities

[–] GameOverFlow@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yes I hate tesla like everyone else but the driver is the driver. The car is not the driver.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have a Ford Edge that can self steer with Cruise Control on.

If I take my hands off the wheel for more than a few seconds it screams at me and disables the self steering. For it to work I must have a hand on the wheel at all times.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

people crash and die on cruise control all the time.

What kind of asshole puts the life of his family in the hands of a cheaply made gadget?

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Run into a tree in any other car, and the airbags will likely save you, and then you just open the door and get out. No flames, no locked doors you can't open. To me, it looks like Teslas are more dangerous for the passengers in common accidents, regardless of how they happen.

I do wonder who is still buying these things today, because people still are, in spite of sales being down sales aren't zero, which they should be. There are much better options.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The car has mechanical door handles in the front that at are so obvious people try to use them instead of the electrical ones.

The getting out isn't the problem. If they were conscious after the crash, at least in the front, it would have been easy to get out unless the door was jammed which can happen after the crash.

The problem is people on the outside that cant potentially open it when its not jammed and the occupant is unconscious, or the backseat where its not obvious how to use the mechanical latch.

Edit: so in this crash it sounds like the driver was probably unconscious, or the door was jammed, both of which cause a deadly situation like this as outside rescues are much harder due to electronic locks.

Edit: and EVs catch on fire less than gas cars, this isnt an EV fire problem.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Doors often jam when deformed from a serious crash in any car. Often emergency workers have to cut the car to get to people. Any EV has a battery fire issue. But it's not like gasoline fires are so great either tho.

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[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At the same time, the vehicle’s electric-powered door handles became inoperable once the battery system caught fire, preventing the two from getting out or rescuers getting in – a serious issue that has similarly doomed others riding in Teslas – Shantorria Herring’s complaint alleges.

Terrible engineering. And it cost these two their lives, as well as others.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

But those flush handles are so pretty....

From the user manual: it is so easy, in case of a fire, just calmly remove all your stuff from the door pocket, then use nails to remove the rubbery mat on the bottom of that, then take out a plastic cover, there's a cable, pull that cable. So easy and totally intuitive when someone is panicking after an accident! /s

screenshot of user manual

Ps: I wonder what the user manual means with that "if equipped" part. Some models don't actually have the emergency unlock under the mat?

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 days ago

Sounds like your typical safe lawyer talk, this way when you're about to burn to death and the cable ain't there because they forgot it/cheaped out/decided to stop including them to save costs, you can't complain!

Earlier models had no emergency latch for the back seat, and only the front seats have (and always have) super obvious manual handles.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

IMO if a door has an electronic lock and normally opens with a button (which is dumb), the backup system has to be something you can use if you're on fire and have a concussion after a crash.

Apparently Audis have an electric lock but still use a regular latch instead of a button. In an emergency you can open the door by just pulling harder on that door release latch. In a Fisker you can do it by pulling on the handle twice. In a Ford Mustang if you yank hard on the door handle it acts as a release. These are all things I can see someone doing in an emergency without thinking.

[–] gizmonicus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago

I guffawed at the "in the unlikely situation your model Y doesn't have power". Like in a car wreck when you need to escape?! The most likely cause for total battery failure just happens to overlap with the most likely time you will be on fire, trying to find your way out of this thing.

We wouldn't want safety to ruin the AESTHETIC, would we?

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My theory? Musk remotely grabbing the wheel while on a bad ketamine trip

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This could kind of be a Darwin award. . ?

[–] TheWordBotcher@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Username checks out.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I feel for the family’s loss: that’s a horrible way to go

…. But the article has a lot of inconsistencies that cast doubt

  • ~~they’re in the uk and most of the article blames self-driving but that is not supported in the uk.~~
  • it gets to the end before switching to talking about autopilot, which is supported in the uk. Autopilot is adaptive cruise control plus lane keeping. I never understood how people seem to think this means self-driving: it is exactly analogous to autopilot in aircraft. Those have a range of functionality but are always under pilot command. I used to fly a small plane with single axis autopilot which basically just kept heading, much less capable than what you’d find on military or commercial aircraft, but there was never any confusion about capability
  • the article blames the emergency door release complexity which is true, but the description of hidden cable release depends on model year and which seat you’re in: they get partial credit for improving this over time. My 2023 model y front seats are very accessible
  • importantly the flush-mount door handles are not an adequate description of the problem. Firstly, the self presenting handles were only on the high end models: these are mechanically presenting so don’t fail that way. The root cause to focus on is the electronic latch. If your only option is an electronic latch and that fails in the crash, it doesn’t really matter what the handle/button is
  • fwiw the entire industry is aware of the possibility of current batteries igniting when sufficiently damaged and, including Tesla, has taken measures to prevent it. But there’s only so much you can do. The question is not whether current battery technology poses that risk: it does. The questions are whether that’s an outsized risk relative to other car technologies and whether Tesla could have done more. There have been several announcements of safer batteries but I don’t think they are available yet.

Edit: UK reporting but the accident was in the US where FSD is supported

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 18 points 3 days ago (6 children)

With names like autopilot and full self driving, there's a reason people are overconfident in the cars abilities.

Any complication in emergency door releases is a critical failure and tremendous design flaw. Emergency features should be incredibly obvious and easy to use, because when you go to use it there's a huge chance you're disoriented or hurt. A system you need to look for as you burn may as well not exist.

The exterior handle design is just awful. There's a reason other countries are making them illegal and it's not because they're a safe choice.

There's a reason Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate in the US despite having some of the best crash test results. You survive the impact to die a slower more painful death.

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