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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 2 points 3 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

Mandatory preface to prevent angry fanboys stinking up the replies: I like Steam. I use Steam. And just to be sure, democrats and republicans are not the same.

Some folks in this thread are using American case law to argue that Steam is not a monopoly, or that Steam is a good (??@#!?!?) monopoly. They look at other cases, like Microsoft, and point out how far Microsoft had to go before it was considered a monopoly by American judges, and then point out that Steam is not as bad. There are two problems with that line of reasoning.

The first is that monopoly law has been absolutely gutted by Reagan, and worsened by every administration (dem and rep alike) up until Biden. In the Biden admin, Lina Khan has made some very small steps to tighten up monopoly laws a bit, but obviously Trump happened (although Harris was pretty much the same as the dems before Biden, so not much hope there either). The bar for being a monopoly is unreasonably high, and American monopoly law is an absolute joke.

Secondly, this line of thinking conflates legality with morality, or being good (enough) for society. I hope I don't need to convince you that this idea is false. Slavery was legal.

The argument here is not that Steam is, in the current flawed legal American sense, a monopoly, but that it is a monopoly in the sense that it has cornered enough of the gaming market that it could do very serious harm.

Note that "they're not currently doing harm" is not a great counterargument here. When my neighbor buys a bazooka, I won't be satisfied by "don't worry I'm not currently using it".

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 hour ago (5 children)

Here's what I don't understand... Say we all agree they are a monopoly, what do you do about it?

It doesn't seem feasible to break them up into smaller companies, how would that even work? What are the dividing lines between what portion of the company goes where? Does that even solve anything?

Force them to charge less money? Okay, now they charge the same as Epic (or even less). Basically every other store is now being undercut by the biggest player on the scene. There is now even less reason to use a storefront that isn't Steam. It doesn't feel like that solves the problem either.

It seems like all the courts have tried to do so far is charge them money for existing, not get them to change what they do, which seems a lot less like the government trying to stop the big bad monopoly and more like the government wanting to get their cut. What does "stopping the monopoly" even mean? Are we happier and better off as consumers if Valve is forced to shut down Steam entirely? Is that the goal?

[–] kossa@feddit.org 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (6 children)

It doesn't seem feasible to break them up into smaller companies, how would that even work?

It is a shame how uncreative we as a society have becone to deal with monopolies.

Remember when Microsoft almost got divided over bundling a browser with their OS? 'Cause Pepperidge Farm remembers 😅

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 6 points 44 minutes ago

No, m$ got a fist up their arse for anticompetitive behaviour

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Uh, Microsoft got in trouble for making their browser an unremovable part of the operating system, and aggressively trying to force you to use it as a browser. Not remotely accurate to say the problem was just including a web browser. And in the end, they got barely any punishment for it.

[–] kossa@feddit.org 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Erm

The central issue was whether Microsoft was allowed to bundle its IE web browser software with its Windows operating system

They even had the same shit going on some 15 years later in the EU.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 points 45 minutes ago

I don't care if someone oversimplified it that way in a wikipedia article. That doesn't make it the full story. Notice the modifier "central" in any case.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What's your point?

Are you saying that Microsoft being split up made no sense? If so, what would you suggest instead?

Or are you saying since they "almost" did it to MS, then they could do it to Steam? If so, where do you make the split that effects any change? You could split Valve the game dev company from the Steam platform, but I don't think that makes Steam any less monolithic in their space - they don't get their market share from the games Valve has made.

[–] kossa@feddit.org 4 points 1 hour ago

You could split Valve Dev from Distribution from Hardware. But that is a shitty split, I'm with you.

You could also just say: you have three years to split distribution into, idk, 4 subsidaries which are then "released" as own companies.

You could split geographically, and down the line those companies might compete with each other.

That's what I mean with creativity. A lot of shit could be possible. But here we are and are told "it makes no sense", "there is no alternative", just crippling our own imagination before even using it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] derg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

We make their practice of forcing game companies to charge the same on Steam as other platforms illegal. If they could charge less on other platforms (due to the lower cuts of the other platforms) they would, and it would loosen Steam's artificial hold on being the de-facto place to buy games.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 46 minutes ago

Monopolies aren't issues per se, it's policies and practices that create and maintain said monopoly.

So is Valve engaging in anticompetitive behaviour? The fact GOG went from an abandonware site to Galaxy says wat. And also that isn't a monopoly.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago

Any monopoly that is too big and important to be broken up needs to be nationalized.

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[–] HMWYSPlease@lemmy.org 1 points 21 minutes ago

Only beef I have with steam off the top of my head.

  1. Make it so I OWN my games if a dev isn't okay with that they can sell somewhere else.

  2. Reverse you decision on steam account not being transferreable/inheritable

Probably others but those are the two I think of.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 2 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

Many things can be true at once. Is it true that Steam controls a dominating share of the PC gaming market? Yes. Is it true that when a company enters such a market position, that they can use that position to engage in anti-competitive and anti-consumer behaviour? Yes. Has Valve actually engaged in such behaviour? No.

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 1 points 39 minutes ago

Well aside from the CS skin black market.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 84 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (35 children)

These comments…

Some day, Steam is going to enshittify, eat game devs for breakfast, and all these Steam fans will wonder how anyone could have possibly seen this coming.

Kind of like a certain online bookstore named after a river.


Not that I don’t enjoy Steam. But I trust them as much as any corporation: not at all.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

So... what? Hate them in advance, so that if they ever turn evil we'd be prepared?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 59 minutes ago* (last edited 51 minutes ago)

Be prepared.

Don’t hate, but don’t trust Valve. Treat your Steam library like you don’t own it, and it could be enshittified at any time, because you don’t, and it could.


In practice, prioritize DRM-free stores when convenient. Or better yet, 1st party game dev stores. Archive any games or saves you actually want to go back to, just in case. Game like your Steam client install could require a subscription at a moment’s notice.

[–] ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Exactly. And unlike many other companies there isn't even any indication they would want to enshittify anyways. Why would they destroy the foundation of their platform? They have actual paying customers paying the bills, not some force-feed ad slop machine.

[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 35 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Hearing those arguments for how many years now? Right ...

The day Gabe is bo longer there things may get ugly, may.

But, Valve is not publicly traded, or has to cater to shareholders in any way. That is the reason they are still who they are.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

They run a good service platform and aren't as greedy as they could be, but they're still not safe.

Use them, but no fangirling. They're a business.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'd be completely in agreement of what you are saying if it wasn't for the fact that there are so many people acting like Steam is the worst platform in existence every time they get brought up. People are awfully quick to suck Tim Sweeney off for only charging 12% and fill up the comments with whatever the opposite of "fangirling" is.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)

Yeah, that’s going too far, but I understand the reaction to fanning over Valve.

There are a bazillion historical examples of why one should use, not trust, big businesses. They are entities to make transaction with, not people, and they will tighten the screws even if it takes decades.

This is doubly true in the software business.

And if the Valve superfans look at the world in 2026 and somehow don’t see that, I honestly don’t know what to tell them. They’re in such a completely different world than me I don’t know where to start.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 2 points 1 hour ago

Amazon was toxic from day one, anticompetitive, borderline illegal, definitely corrupt as hell. It is what Epic Games Store would have been if it had been long before steam lol. The amount of shit that they bankrupted into the ground with cheap Chinese copies off the backs of VC funds while making tons of loss and then removing their storefronts...

But as soon as GabeN dies, steam will become shit probably as the vultures close in.

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[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 19 points 3 hours ago

Remember that you are on Lemmy: a decentralized and open source platform owned by the community.

Steam is a proprietary, closed source, for profit third party software launcher owned by a billionaire.

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