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Russia would love an excuse to boot Apple out, and thus completely control the phone ecosystem. For every popular app that gets banned, thousands still โslip through.โ
Hence I donโt hate on them for complying.
Selfish? Yes. But when you consider what would replace Apple, their presence is more damaging to Putin's regime than pulling out would be.
there is 0 reason to ban apple
they have a shit locked platform each makes using their devices against their users way easier, as you just saw they can just tell apple to block this or that and they will comply, and yes google would do the same, but in iOS it is way harder and inconvinent and less pratical to install things from outside what apple (thus russia) wants you to, this is why there is 0 reason to ban apple, they produce the right tools to oppress and control the masses, they are too convinient for an autocratic regime not to use to wield power over their citizens
iOS still smuggles in โwesternโ influence and culture through the App Store, though. You can see it in broadcasts from the younger generation.
Shutting out Apple (and Google) could get Russia's population in a situation somewhere between North Korea and China, where the whole premise of a mobile OS is careful state-sanctioned control, as opposed to managed foreign influence thatโs too inconvenient to yank. A whitelist, instead of a blacklist.
While I neither support Russia nor censorship in any way, I think that the local government of ANY country should have a higher say on what can be distributed and sold in a country than the internal decisions of a private company in a 3rd country.
For non-technical people the availability of an app in the official app stores limits the availability of a service. And whether or not a service is allowed, should be up to local legislature.
You're not wrong, but it's a strange thing to point out.
It's like mentioning every country has the right to pass its own laws under a Post about a country passing laws that discriminate against a minority.
Nobody is criticizing Russia for regulating the distribution of apps per se, but rather what and why they are banning/regulating them.
My interpretation of this article is that they criticize Apple for acting according to Russian laws when operating in Russia.
I also don't like Apple, but from my perspective, they either have to stop operating in Russia completely (which I'd prefer) or 'bow to the Kremlin'. Any other option involves Apple playing Sheriff and deciding themselves what is right or wrong. And I don't think that private corporations should have that power.
Ah, yeah ok, I can see how it could be interpreted that way, especially the headline.
I suppose to me it was so obvious it's up to the state to regulate companies and not the companies themselves, that pointing it out felt like endorsing the regulation itself.
But maybe that's just my European showing lol
I disagree. I should be able to install any app I want on my device without anyone acting as a gatekeeper and without having to use an app store.
Anyone who argues aginst this needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves what went wrong in their life
As said, I'm also not a fan of censorship, but a state by definition has the right to make its own legislation. Amazon is a US company. In the US it's fine to sell weapons to adults without any license. Still, they aren't allowed to sell weapons in Germany. Likewise Aldi can't sell beer to 16 year olds in the US just because it's legal in Germany. Because the state decides what's allowed. And in the digital age, that right also applies to digital goods and services.
If an apps poses a threat to people or something, the state should have the right to prohibit that very much as other things in the 'real' world. But Russia, China, and other autocracies ban apps to increase surveillance and foster their own dictatorial policies. China, for example, banned gay dating apps as far as I remember, along with tens of thousands other apps. Now Russia is banning Signal and other messengers. The regimes are trying to protect themselves and limit their own people's freedom.
The US does the same thing too, just in the past year.
The US government banned ICE gestapo surveillance apps and apps that would bring the community together and warn of incoming kidnappings, also a video aggregation app or something for documenting ICE crimes.
Don't get me wrong: I don't like a government banning gay dating apps or encrypted messengers. I'm just saying that it's the right of the state to ban certain apps. From an ethical point of view there can be good or bad intentions behind such a ban. You can do so to keep the free press out or to spy on your citizens, but you can also do so to protect your citizens.
E.g. Germany didn't allow Tesla to test rollout the US version of their 'self driving' software to protect people from accidents. Likewise, that new Amazon service to bundle the live feed of all their customers' surveillance cameras which they claim is to 'find lost dogs' (it was a superbowl commercial) isn't in line with German data protection laws and therefore hopefully never allowed here.
Can I just say it - fuck telegram.
Oh another American company without dignity. Who knew..
You should be more surprised that an American company is following local laws in its target markets.
How principled of them.
Pretty sure if they just told Russia to fuck off, they wouldn't ban iPhones from Russia. It'd be a very unpopular move.
Pretty by now they would considering they are banning telegram soon.
Telegram is a single app - and a comms app at that, there are many (superior) alternatives.
Very different to banning an entire technology provider like Apple.
While Russia still has a highly educated population due to the USSR, I doubt Russia could spin up a home-grown replacement for apple's ecosystem in a few years like China did after Google pulled out.
But Apple has no reason to take that risk.
pretty sure most of the "educated" left russia a while ago, with putin being so anti-intellectual.
They had 30 million college grads before the war. Even if 1 in 3 fled, that would put them on par with Germany.
Last I heard europe wasn't very inviting to Russian draft dodgers, America is even less able to offer anything to skilled immigrants right now, so given how conducive remote work is to this sort of work, Russia could probably make a better offer than anything else on the table for those people.
Money > Human Rights
Every. Single. Time.
It's been too long since the filth has been reminded they are the minority.
You're not wrong, but Apple is a corperation based in the biggest human rights violator in the world lol. If they did violate another country's laws, it would be in service of violating more human rights.