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An analysis from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive (ATF) could not conclusively connect a bullet fragment recovered during Charlie Kirk’s autopsy to the rifle found near the scene of the rightwing political activist’s killing – and the FBI is running additional tests, lawyers for Kirk’s accused murderer said in recent court filings.

In the court filings, Tyler Robinson’s defense team also asked for a delay to a preliminary hearing scheduled in May, saying they need time to review the bullet analysis as well as an enormous amount of other material that could contribute to the suspect’s defense.

The ATF’s bullet analysis report has been kept private, but attorneys have cited snippets in other public filings that say the results were inconclusive.

The defense said in its motion that it may try to use the analysis to clear Robinson of blame during the preliminary hearing while prosecutors aim to show they have enough evidence against him to proceed with a trial.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 21 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

FYI, Kirk was against an attack on Iran, and dared to equivocate Palestinian lives with those of genocidal zionazis, in the sense that perhaps the genocide was a little too heavy. Reportedly, Bill Ackman (head of US mossad zionazi division) tried to donate/persuade him to be more in line with GOP doctrine on the chosen genocidal supremacists, but was rebuffed shortly before the murder.

Joe Kent, director of counter terrorism, who recently resigned from Government because Iran war is purely for Israel, said that he was denied access to "terrorism investigation" related information in Kirk's death.

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 182 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I have read somewhere that the whole "bullet forensics" process is mostly pseudoscience anyway. A quick search found this article:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-field-of-firearms-forensics-is-flawed/

If a shell casing wasn't ejected on the scene (like with a bolt-action not cycled) then all they would have to analyze is the what's-left-of-bullet which is possibly just a mess of lead and copper. May or may not have rifling marks left on it

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 107 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

Yeah, shits not like on TV.

In fact, one of the big reason it's like that on TV, is just so when cops lie in real life, idiots believe them.

They consistently tell suspects "we know your gun fired the bullet" but they don't, at most for handguns they can say "a glock fired it" because they use weird octagon rifling.

Matching it to a specific firearm is impossible unless the barrel is real fucked up in a unique way.

A 30-06 will have such massive deformation, I'd be shocked if any rifling is identifiable.

That doesn't mean the person they claim is the shooter really is tho, all types of shit happened immediately after that only make sense if there was a cover up.

But anyone expecting a bullet to be "matched" to a rifle been watching too much CSI

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 40 points 1 day ago

Which really sucks because the juries are all full of tv forensics knowledge, so when cops lie or bend the truth I bet they eat it up

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah, shits not like on TV.

[–] Kolonel_Kahlua@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Is that the scene the other fellow 'helps' by also typing on the same keyboard?! 🤣

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

I'm somewhat of a visual basic GUI expert myself

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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Same with fingerprinting and blood spatter analysis. There is very little within the field of forensics that is backed by science. Fingerprints are not admissible evidence in many courts.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 13 hours ago

not anymore fingerprinting, a study came out recently how fingerprints can be very similar to one or another

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"We're 100% certain the one responsible for destroying the eucalyptus bush is either you or this koala. Why don't you just admit it now and save yourself some trouble?"

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 4 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

*munches on leaves*

It was the koala!

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

And even if it does, they'll be so mangled as to be useless. Like you could say "ok the rifle has four grooves at 1:8” but you've got a fraction of a bullet that was squished into an entirely different shape on impact.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Can we compare it to IDF rifles next?

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (6 children)

So when do we get the evidence that this kid wasn't involved, and is an AIPAC plant?

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In a foreign-made documentary that’ll drop in about 30 years.

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Completely and totally unrelated question to the topic because your username interests me.

What kind of communist is Tasslehoff Burrfoot?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

A kender. All kender society is communist to the extreme. There's not much in the way of currency, and what does exist, exists because of states outside of Kenderhome. All public property is communal. Hell, the "jail/palace" is only used if you manage to FORGET TO HAVE SEX with another kender, because they are so fucking ADD that is an actual issue.

Most people don't understand kender at all, and think they are just annoying. That's not what we are. We're the counterpoint to the gnomes. We can take anything and make it into something interesting, we don't really understand private property, and personal property is shared amongst us, so others don't like us. We take problems apart like there's nothing that can stop us. That's why I was picking locks IRL at the age of 2. It's not to commit crimes, I don't know if any of us are actually capable of doing that intentionally without a lot of disillusionment. We just want to explore everything, and fix all the problems we see. That makes us extremely annoying to others.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Every high profile murder that happens from now on will be conspiracy-theoried to death. Articles like this fuel it. I think it often makes sense to doubt the story we're told. But many Lemmy users for example, are not "doubting". They "know" what happened.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

our species is too stupid for the internet

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[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Bullet tracing is mostly a TV fiction. This headline is just the natural state of things.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Especially for 5.56/.223 where one of the major selling points is the cavitation it causes in soft tissue. "cavitation" being a polite term for "makes fucking explode".

Its why actual footage of mass shootings is so horrifying. Media (and video games that glorify it...) like to paint it as neat little holes when the reality is you have one neat little hole for the entrance wound and a giant fist sized one or larger for the exit.

And all of that does a number on the bullet itself.

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[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The whole bullet gun fingerprint thing is total bullshit, but it’s not completely impossible to determine caliber depending on the size of the fragment which could rule out a specific firearm.

Edit: I dont fucking trust the forensic analyst either and the article stated there were few specifics. I agree with you but just wanted to point out that it is feasible to rule out some things

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[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (7 children)

This story stinks, totally impossible story by the fbi on three counts at least. No shit they didn't release the ballistics results, because that rifle would've made a very different more dramatic wound than whatever hit kirk.

[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 17 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I found it interesting that after Joe Kent resigned from being Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, he went on the record to say that the FBI prevented them from investigating any foreign links to the Kirk assassination.

Edit: also, if anyone hasn't seen this comedy bit on the assassination, it's worth a watch.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 8 points 18 hours ago

Between this and the fake assassination attempt on Trump I'm convinced we need to just throw away the CIA and FBI.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

plus trying to bury the story how robinson was a right wing nutter, and conservatives cant have that on the news.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Yep.

So many idiots here in this thread haven't been following this story at all, they known nothing about the autopsy results.

There's no way a 30-06 from the range and angle that Robinson was at... makes the wounds Kirk's body had.

[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yup. Said the exact same thing on the day. A 30-06 would have made a fist sized wound (bigger if it hit bone). The wound is consistent with a 5.56 or similar. Much smaller bore lower ft/lb projectile is more likely.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

No shit they didn’t release the ballistics results, because that rifle would’ve made a very different more dramatic wound than whatever hit kirk.

They didn't release the ballistics results because it is evidence in a case that is in progress.

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[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

He had a lethal dose of anti Israeli sentiment.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Must have been a second shooter on the grassy knoll.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, his neck just does that.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who cares? Fuck kirk and his wife wife. And JD vance that fucks her and her sofa.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I thought the kid more or less confessed. Are they saying he actually didn't? Or that he fired, but he missed? Also, did we ever find out what the real story with the kid was. There was a lot of conflicting accounts about his life before this all went down.

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

If the bullet doesn't fit, you must acquit.

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