Ask Lemmy

Because he doesn't exist, so even questioning it is irrelevant

it sounds like you're flirting with the Epicurean Paradox

The usual explanation is because God wanted humans to have free will, so interfering in their ability to self-determine would negate that.

The reality is because it makes no fucking sense, like much of the Bible.

because he was a pussy

Ey Eve, bet you are too scared to try this apple.

It's a judeo-christian-muslim god.

Because he is a jealous god. He told people this.

Because he gifted humanity free-will? I thought that was like the main reason

The story was adulterated, & that is visible in the text of that part of the bible, there was no apple.

"women ate of the fruit of the knowledge of Good & Evil ( MORAL UNDERSTANDING ), & shared that with men".

Yes, mothering enforces more moral-understanding than does male-ego-persuits, traditional or modern.

As women have noticed, & evidence absolutely does back it, women bring life into the world, & men persue killing, consistently more than women do.

( the insecurity displayed by the "god" of that story is idiotic, & the blunt fact that help has been provided to humankind, repeatedly, since then, falsifies the message in that part of their bible that "god" wants us kept down, as pets: it investes in our evolving, & there's even a book specifically on that, though from an Abrahamic-religion perspective, called "The Evolution of God", which .. isn't written by a believer, but comes to the conclusion that someone has been cultivating evolution, consistently, among the peoples of that "god". )

The "grace" left-behind by ones who experience moral-anxiety is the "grace" of being mere-animals, who don't have moral-anxieties.

This is an absolutely-factual metaphor/parable about the mere-animal ancestors of humankind vs the moral-anxiety/moral-difficulties condition of our "generation".

Also, there's another corroboration, but much more recent..

there's a yt vid on how Gobekli Tepe somehow was a metropolis without agriculture: Natural Abundance was sufficient for them to do that, & they didn't break their ecology, the way we do..

But you've still got the "grace"/"non-grace" difference between the people who just lived in natural-abundance & didn't break their ecology vs our-generation..

Oh, & as far as I can tell, the Abrahamic-religion authorities are looking totally at the wrong frame-of-reference, in trying to discern where the "Garden of Eden" was: it means Earth, not some limited-locale of it.

Earth was pristine, lush, drenchingly-alive ( I've read that the cod were sooo thick in off the Atlantic coast of Canada, that the fishermen said you could walk from ship to ship .. exageration, certainly, but .. the fish were, on average, 80y old, back then, & huge. Nowadays, they're .. a few years old, 8yo was what I'd read last century, & then we broke the coral-forests they breed in, & the cod-fishery collapsed, & never recovered. We're incompetent at preserving natural-wealth, & we do it in ALL contexts, all fisheries, all forests, .. where's all the BEST farmland on Earth? under concrete, because we converted it all to cities, since that was where the people were.

Idiocy ).

We're destroying the Garden of Eden, globally.

No matter: The Great Filter, our species-puberty, will force-exterminate our race, if we won't grow-up quick enough, completely enough.

Natural Selection, but at planet-scale.

& finally, free-will requires ability-to-choose-wrong.

Puppets aren't what we are.

( it is continuums/souls which are ChildrenOfG-D/CellsOfG-D, it isn't our-lives/incarnations: those are children-of-souls, so grandchildren-of-G-D )

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It was a test, but if he was omniscient, he would have known the results without having to run it. 😉

Fanfiction/Please permit me to make wild allegations, I was also looking at this yesterday and wondered: is it the apple of knowledge of sexual reproduction? (I know the book says good and evil, I get it)

The other tree was the fruit of eternal life. They did not consume this fruit.

So, as for the story, humans could neither sexually reproduce nor live forever/a long time prior to eating the fruit of the knowledge of sexual reproduction. Life and death. Good and evil.

They ate it, wanted to have sex with each other and were ashamed and covered themselves to avoid sexual arousal.

The free will they received was the ability to sexually reproduce.

In the story, angels cannot sexually reproduce with each other?, but seemingly live forever/a long time, and angels supposedly did get very excited that they could now sexually reproduce with humans: nephelim. Hybrids. There are no female angels.

Two different technology trees: humans with sexual reproduction and limited lifespan and angels with longevity/eternal life/angel powers/no females.

This gave the world a third (unintended?) hybrid nephelim class and this upset the balance of power on earth/the creation.

The chaos that ensued inspired yahweh to flood his creation and try again?

Wild shit! For me these are the chaotic and confused retelling of a story of extraterrestrial influence on the development of the human species.

This particular chapter is focused on origins and bloodlines of humanity so it makes sense to me in that way 🙃

Thank you for your time.

I find the story better with "all-knowing" meaning know what is and had been and the future being unknown. A fact created by have multiple beings of free will.

That said eating the apple is very low stakes way to let someone choose to disobey you and thus learn what that means. The "punishment" seems like the plan all along.

at least how i prefer the story

Bad character and plot writing. The Bible was written by hacks and scabs.

If I've learned something from listening History in the Bible podcast is that Yaweh is an asshole and that there are layers of bad translations.

Free will. The idea is that for free will to exist you must be able to choose the wrong action.

If a supreme being rules out all wrong actions or prevented you from taking wrong actions, how could there be free will? How could you even be responsible for your own thoughts and actions. How are you not just a puppet?

Alternately you can think of it as a leveling up. It seems like the Apple is always represented as “knowledge of good and evil”. So originally they’re just animals. They take actions but there is no morality, nothing is good or bad. But if they use their free will to take this one forbidden step, they receive the knowledge of good and evil, they can act good or act bad, they know it’s good or bad, and they have the free will to choose their path. And they are accountable for those choices. Now they’re human

Yeah, that story has a lot of plot holes.

Don’t try to apply reason/common sense/logic to ANY religion. You’ll end up with more questions than answers.

Besides, I was told that the point of the story was resisting temptation. God wanted to see if Adam and Eve could do that. Spoiler: they couldn’t.

Why are there two different creation stories in the Bible? If Cain and Abel were the first sons of Adam and Eve, how could Cain come upon a city while he was wandering the earth? Why are there two conflicting versions of the Ten Commandments? Etc. Etc.

Aha! The question that has many pastors digging deep to get a good answer too. And usually they end up with the age old “mysterious ways”.

The “best” one is usually along the lines of: god wanted a relationship which involves choice and free will, so he had to create a division that would allow humankind to have a choice in the matter.

So god feels lonely, causes all misery on earth that ever was and ever will be. Because free will… On top of that he also ~~indirectly~~ (oh screw it, it’s god) directly causes eternal torture in the afterlife for a vast majority of humankind. Because also, free will (I keep stressing that because that in itself is a huge problem for theologians).

And then all that leads to god killing itself in the form of its own son. Because some of you touch your own genitalia in glee.

Genius.