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They aren't turning on him. He's not on shaky ground. You people are damn fools I'd you believe that.
Most Republicans are not turning on Trump, true. But it doesn't take more than ~5% switching from Republican to Democrat, to make Republicans never win a national election again.
Looking in from Europe, the immovability of US voters is quite bizarre to me. Most people I know don't have being a "Republican" or similar as part of their personal identity.
That's not them turning on Trump. That's them being so conditioned to cheer for anything they hear on stage that they're just mindlessly cheering. You can't honestly think they're wanting to impeach Trump, come on man, there's no way you're that fucking stupid to believe that.
Nah, Their hate for womens choice and that choice isn't them will keep them voting for hate.
So the war is the straw that broke the camel’s back? Not that he’s a rapist or a convicted felon? Not that he let Musk destroy the government? Or that ICE is running rampant kidnapping and killing Americans and people of other nationalities? Or that he illegally sunk foreign boats in international waters? Or that he is trying undermine the constitution they hold so dear? Or that he raised the cost of living? Or he killed a million Americans by pretending Covid wasn’t real and told people to try stupid things?
him being a pedophile racist dictator with a long documented history of lying and grifting was a good thing for his supporters. they saw him as relatable.
the problem for them is that gas prices went up. so now it affects them a little bit.
And the young Republicans boys don't want to be sent to war ! They may be stupid but they know who gets sent to wars.
The poor, minority men who don't have enough cash or clout from Daddy to get out of it or get cushy non-frontline positions? Cause that's who gets sent to fight these wars. These guys would be officers sitting in offices and not fighting. And they know it as well as we do.
No, it's not.
This is just the 100th iteration of "this time they will really start to criticise Trump". And then the cult gets new orders and instantly they will fall silent and shift their opinion as instructed to match their new reality.
These people really took 1984 as an instruction manual.
Yup. 79% of Republicans approve of how Trump is handling the Iran War. No reasonable and informed person can hold that opinion - we are not dealing with serious people here.
This is just the 100th iteration of “this time they will really start to criticise Trump”.
Yep. I've stopped thinking any straw will break the camel's back of maga. They seem willing to accept literally any behavior from him. Every one of these articles about disillusioned trumpers never seems to have a basis in more than one or two anecdotal examples. These headlines exist only to provide copium (or maybe hopium) to the rest of us.
History says hat the straw that breaks the back of the cult of personality is the death or disempowerment of their figurehead.
I believe you are right that nothing that the leadership does will lose them support, but if there are endictments that least to prison or key deaths, it will come undone.
I believe that when that happens the spell will break, you will have a hard time finding anyone who will admit to have supported this regime or many of its actions.
Hard to say, because the notable people can't generally back down. They were called out as idiots and invested their whole public image around rejecting that. To backtrack is to admit they were idiots.
For those that more casually voted for him, well, they could be shifting. Maybe that MAGA tradwife silently changes their vote, but doesn't want her family to know.
He will still vote Republican in the midterms and in 2028.
I keep seeing this pattern. I think a lot of former supporters are really sick of his shit and are just looking for the most politically convenient excuse to finally break with him. E.g. Joe Kent.
So... revelations around him being a child predator is not a politically convenient excuse to break with him?
The thing about that is that you can't prove it to be true in any way they will recognize as valid, and not a ploy by his opposition to undermine his electoral chances.
With policies that cause high gas prices or other impossible to ignore effects, there is no way to cry "fake news" because there is credible other target for the blame: his person is the president, and the gas prices suck, full stop. Their understanding of these global and federal issues is very simple and lacking nuance, so they can't be convinced that the president can't just go into the Oval Office and turn down the "gas prices" knob under the Resolute Desk.
no, he can rape their daughters and they'll forgive him.
Keep in mind that many of these MAGA folks are in a tribe that will make excuses for anything their idol does, and the tribe will follow because that is what a tribe does. They are in a tribe because they are weak people, mentally and morally.
I was gonna throw another few out, but the truth is you could keep going forever. There is no bottom to his depravity, and there is no limit to his criminality. Any list, no matter how exhaustive, would come up short.
For many, they believed him when he said those were lies and political attacks.
Basically everything related to the Iran War however is easily demonstrably false. And the ramifications quick and obvious to the average person. It's one of the reasons the admin is working so quickly to prevent news reporting they haven't approved about it.
War affects their pocketbook in a more concrete way.
These people have always been selfish.
How about the thing these dumbasses really pretend to care about - spending? This moron has spent almost 6 TRILLION fuckin' dollars since he returned to office and inflation is through the roof (just like last time you fucking geniuses!) but I'm gonna need a crystal ball to know who they're going to blame it on because he hasn't been elected yet. Whoever they blame, you can bet his last name won't be TRUMP.
A 30-year-old Iraq war veteran? That math ain't mathing
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Iraq war ended in 2011. If you were born in 1996 (to be 30 today) you would be 18 in 2014, well after that war ended...
So either the article is 3+ years old, or calling the person 30 was rounding down.
American troops pulled out of Iraq this year, so I imagine anyone stationed there who was involved with the post war (i.e. ISIS) are considered 'Iraq' vets.
I guess there would be a distinction between serving in Iraq and be an "Iraq war vet" which has more specific requirements.
A 66 percent majority of older MAGA men are willing to sacrifice American lives in order for the U.S. to achieve its goals in Iran, compared with less than half of younger MAGA men who say the same.
Yeah no shit. The younger guys are the ones who are gonna get shot and blown up.
What goals would those be? Would it be opening the Strait of Hormuz? Or how about an Iran without nuclear weapons?
Funny how we had both of those "goals" before the shitgibbon started the war.
The goal is avoiding punishment for raping all those children over the past 40ish years
b-but Iran was 2 weeks away from having nuclear weapons...
Excuse me, its now the Strait of Trump. Did you not watch the God Emperor say so yesterday?
Did he actually say that?
I stopped paying attention for like 5 minutes and he does about 11 stupid things.
Translation: A 66 percent majority of older MAGA men are willing to sacrifice ~~American~~ other people's lives.
he ain't no senator's son
I think "shaky ground" is doing a lot of work here.
The head of the "you're hurting the wrong people" party will have those chronically online young MAGA men back in his good graces with ease. All it takes is one situation where these men are faced with a situation where they are asked to acknowledge transgender people as human beings, or lord forbid, a black pilot is flying their plane.
Besides, if those things never happen, it still won't matter. The thing about chronically online young men is that next year there will be a new crop ready to replace the ones that got shipped off to die or be crapped on after they come back disabled.
Because…
as usual
It’s finally affecting them personally. Gas and diesel prices are rising. Wait until food starts to go higher again.
30-year-old veteran, eh? The real "leopards ate my face" is gonna be when he gets called back up and shipped out.
I mean, why else do we think this was the final straw?
If only he had a lifetime history of pathological lying to serve as a warning flag.
puts hand in fire
Ow! The fire that we were warned incessantly to be excruciatingly hot, burned our other hand once already, then incessantly warned would burn us again if we did the same thing, just burned is again when we did the same thing! 😢
If you voted for Trump again in 2024, thats on you. Anybody with half a brain knew he lies as naturally as he breaths.
It's interesting watching it. A lot of conservative voters are old enough to remember the shitshow of the Iraq war and I wonder if that's part of what's making them sweat
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