It's times like this I'm glad we've cured cancer and achieved world piece or this would be an insane development.
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So if you are a passing trans woman you either:
A. Risk retribution from the law and use the women's bathroom.
Or
B. Follow the law and get called out for being a women in the men's bathroom.
This law really just criminalizes using the bathroom if you are not 100% heteronormative.
Might as well just go back to poodle skirts and khakis.
And who is checking? Seriously. Is there a guard at the door demanding entrants flash their genitals? And if they’ve already undergone surgery, what then?
This smells more like a don’t ask and don’t you ever fucking tell, or else, push.
The point is to make trans people scared, and most likely, give excuses to incarcerate trans people when they find them.
Logic and proper enforcement does not play any part of these bills
It’ll be volunteer checkers, we have no shortage of them here. They’ll use it to harass anyone who doesn’t meet their expectations, which also means that cisgender women who aren’t conventionally “attractive” and effeminate but cis gay men can be hounded as well. It’s all their favorite victims in one and they can avoid consequences for false reporting by pretending like they did so in good faith. Interestingly, the Idaho police lobbies spoke out against this legislation because even they could see that it’s so aggressive and so difficult to gather evidence they didn’t want to deal with it. Shocking, I know.
The police don't want to deal with it because they know enforcement and prosecution is going to be a widely unpopular clusterfuck and they're going to be left dealing with the brunt of it. The rhetoric loses its luster when they start going after well-liked community members and people that just had to pee.
Meh the golden excuse still works...
But none of the others apply as broadly to private businesses as the Idaho bill, which covers any “place of public accommodation,” meaning any business or facility that serves the public. The legislation includes nine exceptions for situations like performing janitorial work, responding to emergencies, helping children or cases when someone has “dire need” of a restroom.
As long as you say "I really gotta poop" you can go into any bathroom you want.
Gotta tell you, as a man man, beard n all, I have used the women's bathroom a few times in "I'm gonna literally piss myself" moments. The absolute most reaction I have gotten beyond an eyebrow raise was a laugh at my "sorry, emergency I promise I'll sit!" when a woman and myself made eye contact. I live multiple hours from the capital and probably two from the closest "major" city that Joe Blow Nowhere would recognize.
I really do think the average American doesn't give a shit as long as you're doing your business and getting out. Maybe I've just had good luck.
It's not about bathrooms...
It's about the segregation.
If they see someone who looks trans, they'll harass them regardless of what bathroom they go in.
You're immediately giving the excuse. A person who was trans would have to do that Everytime they went into the bathroom they don't identify with, but legally have to use.
The goal isn't for ing them in either bathroom, it's a blank check to harass and I timidate people not confirming to the 1940s gender constructs.
They'll keep going and eventually be yelling at women for wearing pants because that's "men's clothing".
Is there a guard at the door demanding entrants flash their genitals?
That's not how laws work? Do you have guards at your house watching for "breaking and entering"?
It's about punishment, not prevention. You can report a "scary man in the ladies room" to harass trans people now. And people can now "out" trans people easier if they go into a bathroom that doesn't fit their appearance.
it truly smells like crap
It’s so when members of the Idaho legislature are busted with their extramarital trans lovers, they can claim they were deep undercover in a sting operation
New bathroom meta: Individual single toilet and sink bathrooms. Just number them instead of labelling them. Can't have a gender problem if there isn't a gendered common to begin with.
If I was a business owner in Idaho (or any of these states where the law makers are obsessed with people’s genitalia), I’d have a nice bathroom for anyone of any gender, and a squalid closet with a hole in the ground for anyone that voted for this.
Everyone knows there’s only two genders: reasonable people and dipshits
Historically whether to have all gender restrooms or specific ones has been at the discretion of the business, and Boise has a lot of all gender ones. However, other legislation has been pushing to force out the right of business owners to choose what they want to do in their own businesses, probably because they planned on this legislation all along. Because, you know, party of small government.
this, and trans people just want to piss and shit and leave like everyone else. its all a culture war being drummed up to keep us fighting while they steal our money
“You don’t LOOK like a 2…”
Plenty of places already have open multi gender bathrooms with individual stalls with real doors, and a shared hand washing area.
The biggest, hairiest trans men need to start pinching off loaves in the women's bathroom, preferably in groups of 4 or 5. See how long this law lasts.
How hard is it to just have single-occupancy "family/handicap" washrooms? They're just better for everyone
It's a little more expensive, but for anyone who actually cares about people, that's what they're doing. Individual toilets, shared sinks.
Like, i think the most expensive thing is getting sucked into any of this culture war bullshit or some weird legal case.
I dont get hiw it costs more to build single occupant washrooms (all you need is like 2) vs building 2 multis + a "family/handicap" one anyway. If anything, it probably saves money and has less traffic since there would be less overall people able to peruse the facillitues unless they want to wait in line
it’s way past time to end segregated bathrooms…where’s our LBJ?
Sorry if this is crass but I’ve never understood what the bathroom problem actually is.
If you’re a trans woman, it’s all stalls.
If you’re a trans men, you can either use a urinal or stall like any other cis male.
Either way it just seems a non issue. Missing something?
Bigotry makes people want to hate and stop us.
So, without the bathroom bill, I would assume that I, an average dude, would be physically hindered from entering women's bathrooms? Or will this bill actually add armed guards?
I am confused as to what this bills actually changes.. I mean, I'm under the impression that there's nothing is stopping me as it is. At least that is my experience.
Just to clarify: During a diaper emergency of one of my kids, I had to use the women's restroom, as men's restroom at that particular establishment didn't have a suitable place for changing a diaper.
EDIT: Oh, so it's actually just Scumbag Signaling? Who woulda thunk...
EDIT: Oh, so it's actually just Scumbag Signaling? Who woulda thunk...
I mean, not really. It provides a very real risk of a prison sentence if convicted of using the bathroom of your gender and the potential to out yourself and risk physical or sexual assault for using the bathroom of your birth sex.