If we conveniently forget about how unethical all AI is, Slay the Spire shows that no game needs generative AI for “placeholder” content and Expedition 33 shows that it can and will slip through the cracks. Don’t. Fucking. Use. It.

Crude MS-Paint drawings are the best placeholder art. Scribbles can be made as fast, if not faster than AI. It shows the information it needs to show, but most importantly its incredibly obviously unfinished art that needs to be redone before release.

AI art looks pretty good at a distance without close inspection. You have to look closely and spend time to tell AI from art. Late in production when rushing for the deadline is not a point when you have the time to look closely at the assets, so AI placeholders will get missed.

Placeholders is a bad use case for AI.

If your placeholder doesn't stick out like a sore thumb, it's a bad placeholder. There is literally no workflow in which temporary assets shat by AI would be useful.

They just want to normalize AI use until people don't care anymore. And with the waste of resources this shit represents, I just hope this never happens.

Sigh, TPTB are just intent on ruining The Expanse for us aren't they?

if you generate graphics, story and stuff with llm and make them more pretty through human labour, you still have llm generated crud. Generated story acted by humans is still same as fully generated one. using generated slop as placeholders might be fine, but it most likely still influences what they actually make so still no.

if you are just starting something and have no idea about anything and no mental image about what is what at all, THEN using generated stuff might be okay as an example so you can get the idea what is going on, as long as you stop using anything generated as soon as you can.

llm and any datacenters involved with it need to go up in flames.

Huh, weird, you weren't supposed to see that in the final version. But we fired the guy responsible and we're sorry that we got caught

Welp. Waiting for a 75% off sale instead of day one purchase 🤷🏻

Whelp, my interest in The Expanse Osiris Reborn has officially died...Rest in Piss, Owlcat!

Well, fuck. At least we got Rogue Trader and the Pathfinder games before enshittification began.

And just like that I added it to my ignored list on Steam

Open up paint and doodle it for Christ's sake, these guys "forget" to go back and change it I've noticed, so just don't use it, boom, problem solved.

(X) Doubt

If you're using AI in your process, even early in development, it means the game is no longer 100% human made, so stop the bullshit.

My question is if everything is going to be human made in the end why bother using at all? You won't even get any of the much vaunted time savings at that point.

That’s fine, I’m not gonna play it.

Fuuuuck. I don't really care about this one, but now I'm worried they're slopping up Dark Heresy too.

Sure, once crunch times starts, you'll have plenty of free time/people to audit the code and resources to determine if they were AI generated or not.

Fuck (this particular use of) AI.

Some people just dont want my money. [Steps out into the airlock]

100% LOL

Gonna preface this by saying I'm obviously a huge Expanse fan so my opinion is definitely biased. My username is a character from The Expanse and I consider it both my favorite TV show and book series ever. Wanted to make that clear up front.

That being said, if the game is good and they eventually replace the slop assets with proper assets, then what does it matter? As much as I like Lemmy, the hardline stances the community tends to take pisses me off at times. "Oh you're not a full blown communist and haven't read Marx? You're no better than a nazi you filthy shitlib"

Or regarding "AI" (hate that they called it that, it's basically just a smarter auto correct thats existed in smartphone keyboards for years now) anyone that doesn't automatically and passionately hate AI or any of its uses is automatically demonized as a supporter of big tech. Don't get me wrong, I fucking hate 90% of what "AI" does and is used for, especially how corpos are using it as an excuse to lay off real people and how dumbasses are relying on it as pure truth when it constantly hallucinates bullshit. I don't support "AI" and I can't wait for the bubble to burst.

There's almost zero nuance here, it's 90% "you're with us or you're against us" with no room for anything in between.

If the game is good and they replace the slop assets with real assets when it's released next year then who fucking cares that they used AI, what matters is whether the game is good or not and whether the devs are treated and paid well. Expedition 33 used AI in earlier iterations and it all got replaced with real assets eventually but that didn't stop Lemmy from shitting on one of the best games (IMO) to come out within the last decade once that became public.

You wanna make this place a more mainstream alternative to big tech controlling everything? Get off your high horse and accept that there's nuance to everything, it's not just black and white. Otherwise this place will continue to scare off new users faster than it can gain them. I consider myself to be a progressive, I'm Canadian and I've only voted NDP since I was able to vote and I'm now 32. I also really respect AOC, Mamdani, and Sanders in the states, so I'm already close enough to the target demographic of Lemmy if you exclude the tankie trifecta (ml, hexbear, and grad) and even I get sick of the circlejerk here at times.

Judge something when you can actually have a proper opportunity to do so rather than getting preemptively pissed off because they had the audacity to use something you don't like.

If the game comes out and still has slop in it and/or just sucks in general, then yeah, shit on it all you want, and I'll be first in line to join the club cause I absolutely love The Expanse and I'll be immensely disappointed if it turns out bad.

Again, in the interest of honesty and transparency, I usually prefer to just throw my opinions out there and not read or respond to replies when it's something that I know is gonna be controversial so I won't be replying to anyone that replies to this comment. I really hate arguing with random people on the internet so I just ignore replies for the most part.

Welwalas.