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[–] AverageEarthling@feddit.online 1 points 22 hours ago

man, just give me a flip phone.

[–] 01189998819991197253 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I will switch to Android

And you think that Google won't implement user tracking? It's literally their reason for existing.

[–] v3ritas 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

While it’s not (nearly) as convenient, you still have the option to do no-Google Android. At least for now…

[–] 01189998819991197253 7 points 3 days ago

Google is working very hard on killing this option. I hope they'll fail.

[–] Maverick604@lemmy.ca 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Imagine being so horrible at your job as a “journalist” or an editor or a publication that you would allow an article like this to be written under your name or publication without ever mentioning the fact that age verification is being pushed by governments, not phone and computer companies (they are trying to fight its implementation), and that it is equally coming to ALL platforms (yes, even Linux) – as required by law. If you want to fight this ridiculous age verification shit, petition (and vote out) your government. I would also argue that this author and publication should be permanently blacklisted for purposely publishing this obviously biased and misleading misinformation.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

'Even Linux' you say? Absolutely wrong. Linux is the kernel, and this is what is allowing some Linux distros to flip the finger at this bullshit laws. As for android, yeah, 'tech-giant' controlled android OSs will have to comply, but alternatives like GrapheneOS won't, and most likely will not follow this rule. We have options, people that don't want to use them are welcome to keep doing as they're told. While I get that the options are 'comply or leave this market' for OS developers, whether small groups of nerds or trillion dollars behemoths, its still a choice, Apple made theirs.

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[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 205 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Won't be any different. It's just a matter of time before Android goes the same

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 124 points 5 days ago (12 children)

GrapheneOS is Android and declines to introduce that

Not sure when you'll be labelled a terrorist by using a privacy respecting OS though...

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

By the way our corporate dictatorships are speed-running totalitarianism, I'd say before the decade is done. I will choose to be an antifa terrorist before I accept fascism.

This is actually the least invasive form of age verification for Apple users. Apple already has a credit card on file for something like 90+% of the user base.

The alternative the political whore class are promoting is apps individually verifying with a multitude of ~~data brokers~~ "ID providers".

This is the illusion of choice under the surveillance capitalism of corporate dictatorships. Rather than regulate capitalists, the gov colludes with them to exploit and enslave consumers.

[–] detren@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 18 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Thanks for that input!
Just came back from a business trip in Spain.

Maybe I missed it in the article, but do you know, how they do it?
I guess on the phone network level, my phone isn't shouting "GrapheneOS here!!".
So how do they profile me?
Only after they already control me somehow or...?

Still, this is getting more and more Orwellian

Hopefully my Jolla will be to exotic in the first period, but on the long term, this all is a really worrying development with the aim of mass surveillance

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[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 days ago

Mainstream Android will likely go the same path but there'll also probably be 10s of workaround and forks straight up saying fuck you, bitch.

You won't have any other option on iOS other that to take the boot up yo a.

And you'll probably use the usual "most people won't do that, tho". These are kids we are talking about and have you ever told a determined kid that they couldn't do something?

This kowtowing the corporations and governments is how we got here and fuck people who bend the knee before even trying.

[–] Steve2734@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Why don’t governments force parental responsibilities instead? We wouldn’t need all our data sitting there waiting for the next data breach.

[–] beansoup@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Because they don't actually care abt kids or the Epstein class would all be in jail and they wouldn't be facilitating the bombing of schools.

[–] emokidforever@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Because the data is what they want, of course.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

A bit of a dishonest question, but wouldn't that argument lead to minors being able to buy alcohol "for their parents"? We are now shifting the responsibility to the stores, not the parents.

I have my reasons to think it's not a fair comparison, but I'll like to hear other's.

[–] Steve2734@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So you’d rather have everyone’s data subject to being exposed and your behaviour tracked, as opposed to parents looking after and paying some attention to their kids? Wow.

Giving an iPad at your kids is not good for anyone. It’s easy though.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

No, but it you missed so much what I said the first time I don't think spelling it again will help.

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

We've seen parents fail over and over again. Some parents definitely need a helping hand.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 17 points 3 days ago

I will switch to Android

I'll believe it when I actually see it

[–] pimpampoom@lemmy.zip 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lol sure, like android is not gonna do the same

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[–] kepix@lemmy.world 67 points 4 days ago (6 children)

bullshit. no they won't. stock android also gonna get age verification, and is considered bad by apple users, plus its a different ecosystem. stop sharing shit articles like this.

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[–] RoddyStiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but then you'll have a green bubble

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 20 points 4 days ago (5 children)

It's amazing how apple managed to get Americans took care about that. Meanwhile no one else cares. No one uses iMessage in Europe or Asia.

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[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 88 points 5 days ago (14 children)

I call bullshit. Apple fans happily take anything Apple pushes down their throats. Even a $999 monitor stand or a $40 microfiber cloth.

[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (13 children)

Yes every single iPhone owner also bought those 🙄

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[–] exu@feditown.com 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And a $150 !! or $230 !!!! sock

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[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 days ago

GrapheneOS baby

Kicked my 15pro

[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Folks, this is coming from your government. The phone makers want nothing to do with it and are actively fighting it in court as best they can. Switching between phone makers will not help, and is not the right place to put your energy. Address your concerns to your governments.

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 days ago (12 children)

The phone makers want your data just as much as the government does. Data is money and power.

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[–] Decipher0771@lemmy.ca 47 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I’m dabbling switching to GrapheneOS. Apple was the lesser of (obvious) evils compared to Google, but that’s becoming less true daily.

I don’t think I can make it my primary device yet, still need to de-cloud a bunch of services, but it’s very likely my next device won’t be an iPhone.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 25 points 5 days ago (15 children)

I'm running GrapheneOS since about 2 years now and I'm more than happy.
Didn't had any real issues with it.
Art the start Android Auto didn't work, but it does now - although I don't really use it.

I have Google play service stuff installed, but sandboxed.
And my banking apps work just fine.

Friend of mine made the switch a few months ago and haven't heard of any complaints either.

Can highly recommend it :⁠-⁠)

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[–] Adam_Crock@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I am more happy than ever with my GrapheneOS phone. Especially after they refused to include age verfication I recommend everyone to switch to grapheneos or any other custom ROM android

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[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

iPhone users 🚶‍♂️‍➡️ switching to android

Android users 🚶‍♂️switching to iPhone

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Android users 🚶‍♂️switching to ~~iPhone~~ GrapheneOS

Switching to iPhone would just be objectively worse in literally every way

[–] cimmerian@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

I switched to iPhone after being on android since kitkat. Worst decision I made. Basic functions of the device don’t work/crash out. There’s seemingly no global ‘back’. Each app can dictate how back works. So I’ve found myself having to remember which apps use the swipe back feature and which don’t. They brought in the ai autocorrect stuff which completely changes words that I type. The glass ui stuff is horrific. Some text is unreadable due to the transparency effect.

Just terrible times all around. Looking to go to Graphene on my previous pixel phone next…

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[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 27 points 5 days ago

In fact, if they have the know-how, they should switch to something else. Android nowadays isn't much different from iOS, and I'm pretty sure that what was included in iOS will eventually land on Android too.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

Why not just make it so nobody under 18 can own a smartphone. Why these fucking useless age checks.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 23 points 5 days ago

iOS doesn't (or at least didn't for a very long time) let you install an app without registration. 99% of those people have their credit card data registered with Apple. Now they are pissed that Apple will asks them to use credit card to confirm they are adults? Hilarious.

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

But they already switched to Android when Apple removed the headphone jack. Oh wait, that's right - nobody did.

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