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[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Zelensky should be suspicious of Trump. He might be willing to betray Ukraine in exchange for Putin betraying Iran. Europe should be involved in negotiations. This is what Europe should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. All sanctions against Russia will be lifted. Russia will not be required to pay reparations. If Putin doesn't accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I mean, the Ukraine was already promised security guarantees that were ignored, so I'm not sure why he thinks trump will honor new ones.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

the Ukraine

But I agree; the word "guarantee" is buckling under the weight it's lifting.

so I'm not sure why he thinks trump will honor new ones.

Why are you stating he does when he clearly doesn't?

“I would very much like the American side to understand that the eastern part of our country is part of our security guarantees,” he said.

[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

Reminds me of the German-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact signed in 1939. Hitler broke it in 1941 when Germany invaded Russia. If Trump betrays Ukraine in exchange for Iran, Putin after taking the Donbas region could then betray Trump by sending troops into Iran. Since Russia is closer to both Ukraine and Iran, it can exert control more than the US.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

It's sure an open secret among Ukrainians that the shithead in the Oval Office is a Russian running dog.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Everyone should have been suspicious of Trump since the 80s

[–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 18 points 5 days ago

Those guarantees are as secure as the top secret documents in mar-a-lago's toilet.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 13 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Remind me, isn't Zelensky constitutionally not allowed to accept such a deal?

[–] panthera_@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

I believe so but Ukraine will need help if Trump betrays Ukraine. That's the reason for my proposal.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Edvard Beneš surrendered the sudetenland to Hitler which was uncontitutional. The point is if Ukraine can't win against Russia he would be forced regardless

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I could convince myself that the conventional wisdom has shifted in recent years. Ukraine's drone warfare expertise and domestic military production is now strategically critical to all its allies, who know that they won't be able to buy from China in the increasingly plausible event of them going to war.

Now it's not just the food production, which is also going to be critical due to a likely food price crisis coming down the pipe due to fertilizer not getting through Hormuz. The world is rearming and economically destabilising at the same time, and Ukraine is a source of world beating drones and highly productive soil. The US needs Ukraine more than it admits, as does the EU, who wants to bring them closer as soon as it can. It's far from a one-sided relationship.

Further, will Russia actually beat Ukraine? If they wanted to, they would have been wise to do so by now. We've seen them turn their entire economy into a wartime one (maybe irreversibly given the brain drain and demographic collapse they've created in recent decades) and mobilise an international human trafficking ring to dragoon young men from poorer countries into front line combat. Yet all Russia will use them for is meat wave tactics. They don't actually want to win, they want to keep the war going for as long as possible because their entire economy depends on it.

That's my read on the situation, anyhow. It's gone beyond simply "who can win". Ukraine has already faced ethnic cleansing and they can't afford to lose. Neither can its allies afford to lose Ukraine as a strategic ally and trading partner. And worst of all, Russia can't afford peace. If Ukraine fell, they'd just attack the Baltics or someplace else. Bleak beyond belief.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I used the word if for a reason

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 1 points 5 days ago

Well now I feel like an asshole 🤣

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

This entire episode (even from before Trump was reelected) has demonstrated how little US security guarantees are worth.

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

Fuck trump. Keep cooking Ukraine.

[–] BaroqueW@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Could the US pressure their dumbass to leave the presidency instead?

Cuz appeasement always works for aggressive neighbors...