And so the dominos of the decline of US supremacy continue to fall. Not only are their European allies so fucking done with the US for pissing them off and stabbing them in the back, but now they get rewarded for being rational and for having even just an ounce of morals in the right places.
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As a Dane, I cannot underline enough how fucking done we are with the US.
I'm almost grateful that he's being this obnoxious, because it means that we might have way less American influence in Denmark in the future and that is something I have yearned for since Bush.
A girl can dream.
... that is something I have yearned for since Bush.
You are a real one, and I appreciate you. As an American, I'm so sorry; we deserve your ire and those of us who are capable of the embarrassment are drowning in it, and doing our part for a future where we do not fuck with your lives again, even though that future is happening already. Dream on, please.
If it is any comfort to you, most of us know that the people of America are largely decent and just want to live their lives and not bother anybody. My main issue with America has always been with the country and the culture, not really individual people. It would be foolish to hate on millions of people who have harmed nobody and just happened to be born somewhere.
In essence, my biggest gripe with America has always been on the pathetic excuse of a welfare system you guys have. You all deserve so much better and it pisses me off that you're being taught to eat crow and not only like it, but express gratitude and pride for it. Many of you are smart enough to see through the bullshit, but all of you are stuck living in one of the richest countries in the world while having third world social conditions. I cannot express in words how disgusted I am by that.
As for all the geopolitical and media stuff, those are institutions I feel disgust towards.
I hope that no matter what happens in the future, that you and your fellow Americans will have better conditions to live under and better, more responsible leadership.
I am, however, still glad that my country as well as most other European countries are moving away from the USA. It was not an equal and fair relationship in many ways and both sides have been at fault to some degree. I think we are better off separate and I think that the US as a whole is also interested in this separation to look for new alliances. I for one, am thrilled about Europe's future, even though this transition period is going to be tough. We will be stronger in the long run without the US.
I'm in agreement, and I appreciate that. You do have some permission to blame Americans too though; a little more than half of popular vote did go to Trump after all lol
The thing with Bush was that a large number of people here in EU despised him and was sick of the US's continual involvement in international affairs. There were protests when he visited, and a big movement opposed him wherever he went. That lasted until 9/11, at which point US became the big victim, and all critics went silent.
That's not how it went where I lived. People were actively protesting the Iraq war in the streets in my country and very vocal about our involvement in those wars. We are also the country that lost the most soldiers per capita to fight a war that didn't have anything to do with us because America demanded it.
Which is also why it was a deep insult when Trump and Vance decided to attack Zelenskyj for the world to see, then subsequently threaten my country to give up Greenland and calling us shitty allies and starting a tariff war with Europe as a whole. We literally bled for them and gave up our dignity for them - it was a massive hit to the Danish self image to join the wars in the middle east - and the thank you we get is to be pissed on and for them to shit on Zelenskyj, piss on the rest of us and threaten to annex Greenland.
My distaste for America's entitlement and arrogant tactics that we had to adhere to for years with the promise that they would help us if we needed them, was turned into a raging fire the second trump and vance did that to Zelenskyj. Every other thing that happened after that has just kept that fire alive, but I lost any and all respect for America when they invited Zelenskyj to the White House to act like a couple of high-school bullies.
I will never forgive and never forget. Ever.
And they're doing it intentionally.
Why the fuck is anyone still speculating about why Trump and his admin are doing the things they are? Or attributing his actions to the fact he's a moron?
Wh know who's pulling his strings and they told us exactly what their plan is.
Project 2025 explicitly states one goal is to return the USA to isolationism. Another is to destroy the US dollar and return to "free banking." They want a "hard reset" of the US economy.
Throw in religious nutjobs and the war in Iran isn't a mystery.
Can the rest of us just ask Spain to go for us? Like when we were kids and would ask grown-ups to go into the shop for alcohol
"Hey dude, can ya buy us some oil?"
Buy us a six pack and keep one barrel for yourself ...how about it?
Will spain adopt me? Only kind of joking
Positive reinforcement
I won't be surprised if US starts sinking Spanish ships.
Well, it is a mexican country.
Again?
Isn't it weird that one can be rewarded just for being a rational player?
Is it really a reward not to be obstructed due to something you didn't do?
To be truthful, in this environment, yep, it is.
PETROPESETAS
Starting tomorrow all ships will start flying the Spanish flag.
It's a damm pity ICE just got rid of all the Spanish speakers in the US that might be able to crew those ships and get away with it.
Payback for the Spanish-American war. Who's the greatest navy in the world now bitch!
/s
It will be intressting to see, if anybody actually tries to go through the strait using a Spanish flag. That could very much limit the oil issue for Europe.
This isn't the 15th century. They aren't looking though a telescope and looking at flags to figure this shit out.
When a ship is registered in for example Spain, it is called Spanish flagged. You know like all ships still sail, besides them most not having sails.
Also in the Strait of Hormuz using a telescope is probably what you actually want to do. There is the Automatic Identification System, which works using radio and among other things includes the ships registration. However the Strait of Hormuz currently has a lot of electronic warfare going on, which makes this unreliable. Also it is allowed to not use it or fake some data, if you are in dangerous waters, which is certainly the case in the Strait. So using a telescope is actually what you would do and then check the ships name and flag in the countries registration database.
That's probably true! However the telescope was not yet invented in the 15th century
Production is already destroyed to a significant degree. Russia lost 40% production as well. Even if all violence stopped now, it takes months to get stuff back online.
I guess "limit" is a broad term, but we're already in a bad place with long term global effects.
Do the spanish even get oil from there? I thought they get gas from algeria and oil from nigeria
Now they will. Spanish resellers have an opportunity to make bank.
I thought they were going to mine it. Did they change their minds?
Only US outlets were reporting that, yet ships were still passing
I doubt they will unless the US invades, so we'll see
They're telling greenlit countries go around through Iranian waters, so they can mine the main shipping channel whenever they want without warning and still let friendly traffic through up against their costline where it's easier to police.
