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Roku is every bit as bad. They bricked all customer's previously purchased TVs by implementing a new user agreement through their UI without warning. It couuld not be bypassed. Opting out required first opting in, agreeing to those new terms and then mailing a letter within a very short window with explicit, detailed requirements.
My next TV won't be connected to the Internet and definitely won't be a Roku or Visio product.
Does the TV work as a screen if you factory reset it then never reconnect it to the internet?
It does. I wound up buying two new TVs because of the thing OP is talking about here. You could actually get around agreeing and then opting out by removing the TV from the network and then restoring it to factory and never reconnecting it.
Haven't tried that yet. For now I've blocked most of Roku's BS with Adguard Home.
Joke's on them, I don't want any of the smart features
And if I don't want to use their smart features?
this seems like it might be a win
I have a Vizio TV I bought in the mid-teens that only lets you change the source and turn the volume/channel up and down with the remote. Everything else...the display/audio settings, naming the inputs, setting the channel names...requires the Vizio app on your phone. Literally no other way to access them. If I'd have known at the time I would have returned it immediately, but unfortunately I didn't discover this for a couple weeks as it was on sale and I was leaving for vacation, so I bought it, dropped it at home, and didn't actually touch it until it was past the point where I'd have been charged restocking fees so I kept it.
I guess my point is....I wouldn't necessarily bank on that. They can easily just make the TV not fucking work without the account, just like some of the other brands I've interacted with that will not even let you bypass the initial screen when you power it on for the first time without entering an email address or else it gets locked in it's demo mode.
Even if 50% of them get returned they'll likely still be making money.
Excellent News ! Finally, an easy way to disable every smart feature !
Don't plug in a Ethernet cord, and don't connect it to Wifi.
Now you have a fully functional TV screen that wont be artificially bricked with OS updates.
Get a dedicated "streaming device" like a Nvidia Sheild, Android TV, Apple TV, or Roku and you are good to go.
Until the next one refuses to even pass through HDMI if it's not connected.
Just don't buy shitty devices.
And what happens when the shitty devices are literally the only ones available?
Well, too bad. Do something else.
But as long as people have some brain, if the market gets a majority of "smart" devices to the point there's enough people looking for alternative, some people are likely to try and fill the gap. It might become a new niche market, but it's one place where supply and demand will work to our advantage.
Don't buy the product. Don't give them the sale.
Televisions aren't mandatory, you can do without.
My dedicated media PC is the new Atari VCS. It works awesome and I can boot into Atari os for some light gaming too. Or emulate anything up to ps2.
Disabled all the smart TV bs and told the SO we dont use that anymore, 0 complaints so far. They're also learning some Linux because of it!
I just use my PC through my TV.
Also don't buy tvs with voice activation.
That means they have mics on 24/7.
The voice came from an oblong metal plaque like a dulled mirror which formed part of the surface of the right-hand wall. Winston turned a switch and the voice sank somewhat, though the words were still distinguishable. The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely.
– George Orwell
This is how you get me to never buy a Vizio TV.
What, you prefer to give your data to Sony, LG, Samsung, or amazon? Like they're not selling it to anyone with a buck as well? Never connect a TV to the internet, period. After that it doesn't matter what you buy.
TVs are screens or privacy nightmares. You get to choose as the consumer.
My mini pc or laptop connected via HDMI to a projector setup makes me more happy every day when I see crap like this. Bonus is you can move it to the patio for outside movie night and it's a whopping five pounds. Same goes for moving apartments because I've always moved too often.
This is fine IMO, because you shouldn't use the smart features in the first place. Just get a 3rd party streaming box. The ONN one is like $25. (Or if you're a giant nerd hook your computer to your TV.)
TIL my senior parents are giant nerds.
I do this, run a regular linux desktop right on my TV, idles at like 10 watts. Only do it though if you plan to go full pirate.
I use a TV for my monitor - last job I worked I really needed the screen real estate for excel.
I hate hate hate when I shut the computer off or power goes off and when the TV comes back on, it auto-plays some "free" streaming channel, which is ALWAYS fascist propaganda. I rush to turn that shit off just as quickly as I can. Fuck that shit.
Its been so long since ive had or bought a tv, what are the brands that are the least shitty now? I used to always be a samsung everything kinda guy but fuck them now. I wish they never started fucking around with software and stuck to just hardware. Their products from strictly the hardware side are still excellent. My zfold7 is amazing the older gens started rickety but each version i got (so the 3, the 5 and the 7) has been a respectible improvement but the 7 really stepped up the quality. The last samsung tv i got was like 65" curved screen amazing picture but the fucking interface was pure cancer and i will not buy another. My samsung 4k monitors, non-smart normal fridge, and my equally as dumb oven are great and dont have any stupid shit so Ill buy more dumb samsung products lol.
By any brand which lets you use HDMI devices without connecting to Wi-Fi. TCLs have better specs than most for the price and they have a Basic TV mode which doesn't need internet.
However, their Google TV mode is still good as it lets you disable the ads on the home screen with apps-only mode and it supports sideloading of SmartTube (an ad free YouTube app) and free movie apps.
good. maybe people will stop buying them then.
Buy commercial displays, not TVs
Does that mean it disables all Tue smart shit about f you don't connect an account? Nice.
Yeah I've been sitting here trying to figure out the downside.
It would not surprise me if the tv it's self will not work until you run through a setup process, and during this process you are required to create an account.
WTF? And Walmart of all things. Fuuuuuck them.
My decade old TV is starting to show its age with a couple of dead pixel columns.
I'm a bit stressed about trying to find a new one that has none of this kind of enshittification.
I just want something with a couple of HDMI inputs and an antenna connector.
I absolutely do not want any ad servers or mandatory account bullshit injecting itself where it isn't wanted.
Youll have to go with a monitor or business display. Its just a large screen with inputs but no tuner or speakers.
I use a Pi to drive my display.
Just wanted to add that you'll pay out the ass for them compared to consumer trash, but there's a reason for the higher price tag. They're often made for heavy usage environments where they're on like 24/7 for years showing slideshows and shit in office lobbies. Consequently, they often lag behind the feature set of modern TVs which may or may not be a problem (personally I hate all that image enhancement shit but everyone has their preference) and the higher refresh rate is not as big a selling point so not a huge comparison there if you're looking to use it for gaming or something. They also have a much more clear repair path though replacement parts can be fuckin stupid expensive. It's bullshit that the only way you can get around the enshittification of consumer electronics is by paying the enterprise tax but that's how it is.
I work in IT and about once a year or so I have to spec out that sort of stuff for clients, and they're always like "WTF?!" when they see the cost of some of that Enterprise/Professional grade stuff, but the difference is, the no-name crap they could get for $1499.99 from a big box is going to burn itself up within 18 months and be trash while the $5000 display will be humming along for as long as replacement parts are still available.
I have an extremely expensive smart TV that probably cost around £4,000 (I didn't buy it so I don't know what the actual price tag was) and it's UI is awful because of stuff like this and it's all stupid. It has an app, it's a TV, I already have a method of controlling it why do I need an app?
As a result it's purely a media streaming platform I don't use any of its smart features. It's just hoocked up to a mini PC and it's just been a display.
I think I prefer my 14 inch CRT
I used to prefer CRTs too... And then I got an OLED. Nothing else comes close, not even the best CRTs. Especially if it's got quantum dots in combination with OLED.
Given that input lag was already solved five years ago, really the only advantage CRTs still have left is their ability to look great at non-native resolutions. But upscaling filters like HQX/xBR for retro games, and DLSS/FSR for modern titles, have all but completely eliminated that last remaining advantage. These filters are really good at upscaling lower resolution content to fit your display's pixels. Hell, DLSS is so good that it looks better than native 4K.
My "big" TV is a dumb 55" Toshiba I bought in 2012. It works just fine plugged into my computer to display VLC. I don't need anything else. I don't bother with Jellyfin anymore, because all I do is "acquire" the content, watch it immediately, and delete it. I don't keep anything apart from a few old movies, because I don't rewatch anything.
Tonight I'm watching the next episode of Survivors, a BBC series from 1975.
I finally got fed up with it last year and blocked the internet access of my TV on the router level becuase upon contacting support I learned that there was no way to turn off the microphone setting. For real. They just didn't add that feature in to my model. I still can't believe that.
It is a little incovneient that I have to turn on my PC before I can watch anything but man the freedom of knowing that TV won't be spying on me 24/7 is freeing.
Next time I buy I will be looking for commercial displays with HDMI and DisplayPort if its even possible by then.
Damn shame, Vizio's are designed in California.
