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The US claims foreign-made routers pose national security risks.

In December, the Federal Communications Commission banned all future drones made in foreign countries from being imported into the United States, unless or until their maker gets an exemption. Now, the FCC has done the exact same for consumer networking gear, citing “an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States and to the safety and security of U.S. persons.”

If you already have a Wi-Fi or wired router, you can keep on using it — and companies that have already gotten FCC radio authorization for a specific foreign-made product can continue to import that product.

But since the vast majority — if not all — consumer routers are manufactured outside the United States, the vast majority of future consumer routers are now banned. By adding all foreign-made consumer routers to its Covered List, the FCC is saying it will no longer authorize their radios, which de facto bans new devices from import into the country.

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[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 129 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Here's a list of all the commercially available US made routers below

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Good hunting !

[–] StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social 101 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Its probably to force people to use ISP routers which imo are compromised from the gecko

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 65 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was going to correct you then I saw your username and I’m fucking amused.

As you were.

3 word generators for the win 😀

[–] HexaBack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I fucking hate my xfinity router. their excuse of a "settings" panel can ONLY be accessed from their app 🤮, and just marvel at the plethora of options you can configure:

SSID

Password

xfinitywifi Hotspot ON/OFF

"Safe" Browsing ON/OFF

this is madness compared to my previous att router, which while still a shitty ISP router, at least had enough settings to create a proper self-hosting environment. I feel this is being done to kill self-hosting.

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You don't have to use their hardware. In fact, you can save the monthly equipment rental fee by purchasing and setting up your own. I've been using Xfinity with my own cable modem and router for years.

[–] HexaBack@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm aware, but this post is saying that it won't be possible for much longer

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Still possible. You just may not be able to buy new hardware.

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[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

But 15 minutes could save you 15% on your car insurance!

[–] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

which imo are compromised from the gecko

elvis sings: "In the geckoooo"

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

El Vez sings "en el barrio"

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

From the ... gecko? From the get-go. Boneappletea in the wild, or autocorrect gone wrong?

[–] StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Requested context provided at the time stamp, though you can watch entire clip its gold

https://youtu.be/5ExXOIvY9V0?t=380

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Thank you for your kind act of mercy.

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[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah that was my question. The US can manufacture routers now???

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago

We can make wafers here, and we can absolutely do final assembly using wave solder machines (worked for a couple of companies in Austin doing either) but it’s the crucial step between that we don’t do. The US doesn’t really make electrical components, not at that scale anyway. We don’t even spend the money on pick and place machines, and even if we do final board assembly here it’s sub-par at best. I’m arguing with my boss every day that I’m not a damn machine, I can’t make perfect solder joints every time.

[–] timwa@lemmy.snowgoons.ro 7 points 1 week ago

Provided they are made with rolled steel and have a big-ass two-stroke diesel attached, I am entirely sure that routers are within the abilities of the US's high-tech industrial base.

Can you power a router with Clean Coal™?

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 84 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everyone who is even remotely technically able and even slightly concerned about privacy needs to learn how to BYO router

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sounds... like a bit of a pain in the ass.

So, I imagine we're talking about a linux micro-pc with perhaps 1 or 2 additional pcix networking cards?

[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you want a dedicated device, sure. Image it with OPNSense and it'll basically just work.

You can also take any desktop you already have, fire up an OPNSense VM, pcie passthrough your WAN NIC + WiFi card, bridge to a separate LAN NIC, go through the setup, and there's your router.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Alright, well I appreciate the direction there, that's really helpful.

You can also take any desktop you already have, fire up an OPNSense VM, pcie passthrough your WAN NIC + WiFi card, bridge to a separate LAN NIC, go through the setup, and there's your router.

Although, I gotta be honest, for someone who doesn't regularly use Linux, that does sound like a lot of potential issues getting this working.

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[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago

until their maker gets an exemption

Ah, yes, how to ask for a bribe 101.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago

Let me guess, Don Jr. conveniently started a router company yesterday?

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 week ago

Wait, it talks about FCC radio authorization. However that doesn’t make it a router, just an access point. Quite a few routers (thinking the Pro-sumer Uniquiti UXG models) don’t even have radios and aren’t wireless so there’s no radio they can withhold certification on. This could affect AIOs but all you’d have to do is separate your router from your AP.

Definitely sounds like a quickly thrown out, half baked shakedown (bribe) measure with something they could control (radio authorization) and just targeted routers since that’s a common place they are.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Many people will soon find joy in slapping a 4-port NIC into an old PC and learning nftables, BIND9 and kea.

[–] Malfeasant@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

You don't even need all that, if you're just doing wifi routing, one wired nic and one wifi card will do, if you want wired routing too, just one more nic will do, then use a dumb switch to get the multiple ports.

[–] psoul@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

It’s nftables little Bobby Tables’ brother?

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

I will find joy in learning about all of these things now.

Thank you!

[–] Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So... can I still flash custom firmware like OPNsense and Openwrt on them? Cause I literally just posted about hardware decision a few days ago 😭

Edit: It seems the article and actual FCC document will leave previous router models alone, but anything newer is cooked... Even the US brands like Cisco aren't actually manufactured here because we fucking outsource evrything. I hate this government.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can just buy one of those SBCs with two RJ45 ports that can be used as routers, i doubt that those will be banned.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or just a PCIe nic in an old desktop

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They COULD just regulate these things...

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Nooooooo! The free market hates regulation.

But, loves... banning? Wait, that can't be right...

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Seriously, how hard is it to write a blanket, "No spyware allowed in electronics whatsoever" law and call it a day?

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's always projection. This means the dark empire is weaponizing commercial drones and wifi routers and everything else. They don't want anyone to do to them, what they will now do to you.

[–] Zacpod@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That was exactly my thought. "Oh, this means thar the US has Spyware on the routers produced inside the USA, and any US drone has killswitches built in."

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[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At least this bans isreali routers

[–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They will get an exemption, if they don't have it already.

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[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago

United on Spying on our Asses.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

looks dubious

I mean, I don't disagree that there are security risks posed by random consumer broadband routers. It is definitely the case that unmaintained


not intentionally shipped with malware


routers have been a real security problem in the past. My own view is that the current set of conventions, which often has very poor or no security on devices on the LAN and thus relies on the router to keep bad stuff out, is a very real part of that problem, but sure, having a secure router is part of that.

However.

I'd say that the majority of the threats that a router poses are also posed by any device on the LAN that can call out to the Internet. Like, you aren't doing a lot to secure devices on the LAN if you ban routers and then I can still go buy random gadget from wherever that can get on the WiFi or wired Ethernet network and phone home, take instructions from home, and can talk to other devices on the LAN. I mean, are you also going to ban, say, smart televisions? Ethernet-connected security cameras? I mean, poorly-secured network-connected cameras have posed very real threats in places like Ukraine, where military intelligence has actively exploited them to get information about an area come conflict.

And I just don't think that we're going to commit to locking that down.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 6 points 1 week ago

The idea is to stamp some that install doge palantir vibe coded back door to the propaganda control machine then they're "made in the us" and then you just have to come up with a good excuse. But the excuse department is kind of busy, so wysiwyg

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They did a first pass on banning security cameras many years ago. It was maybe the test bed, I can definitely see that one getting revisited. They only banned two major manufacturers that had kinda already been caught as a major security concern.

It's why you don't see hikvision or dahua anymore where they used to be major players.

[–] garbage_world@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dear American government, I have a better idea: Ban proprietary software on routers. You can even go a bit further and ban proprietary OSes totally. This way nobody will spy on your citizens without their knowledge.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think they are listening

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah yes, more security holes incoming. Gotta love maglomania (not sure if that is the correct word?)

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, I tried to get y'all to stock up on drones a year ago

Unrelated: drones make a great Christmas gift for that recently laid off, benefits denied, recently diagnosed with a disease caused by known carcinogens in their everything, injured at work, under paid and exploited person you know.

Get em before they’re deemed a safety hazard and pulled from shelves.

For some reason the above comment gives an error of Error when viewed outside my comments.

https://lemmy.ca/post/34476205/13234882

Maybe I made them ban drones:

I may have suggested some things.

You may have to copy and paste that link - voyager refuses to open it.

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

OPNSense and a 2 NIC PC are all you need.

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