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The mastodon and lemmy content I’m seeing feels like 90% of it comes from people who are:

  • ~30 years old or older

  • tech enthusiasts/workers

  • linux users

There’s nothing wrong with that particular demographic or anything, but it doesn’t feel like a win to me if the entire fediverse is just one big monoculture.

I wonder what it is that is keeping more diverse users away? Is picking a server/federation too complicated? Or is it that they don’t see any content that they like?

Thoughts?

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[–] debeluhar@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I would say picking a server. Regular users shouldn't be bothered with that. I wouldn't say multiple server choice is a bad thing, it's actually great thing, but regular users shouldn't be bothered with that. Maybe hide server selection behind advanced section or something like that, so regular users aren't bothered with that, but more tech savy users can still find that option if they would like to. And default option for server can be lemmy.world for example (or any other server). If using lemmy is too dificult for regular users and learning curve is too big, they will not bother with that and they will just leave. I am using Connect for Lemmy now and I think lemmy.world is selected by default. I am just using it and I was never bothered with concept of multiple servers, and I really like that I don't have to worry about that.

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[–] sammeeeeeee@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Just turned 18. Work in tech, but not a Linux user (yet). Non of my friends used Reddit in the first place, so for sure non are on lemmy

[–] ike@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"Hey just fyi, I post all this stuff first on my site at noschool.angelfire.com, but i realize people are all here on Xanga now, so I copy it here too. Anyways:

These lemmy users are really making me stress about my age, as if my back pain wasn't enough. I guess I just need to accept it. I have too much going on to be worried about that anyways, i still need to get the rest of those songs downloaded for the mix cd. Kazaa is taking forever to download, but soulseek is ZOOMING at 300kbps, so there's that. Once i get my domain and stuff set up, and my blog system going with Greymatter, let me know if you want to use one of my subdomains for your blog. Anyways i'll be on aim later if anyone is bored."

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[–] wilberfan@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] Bandit@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I am none of those things and I didn't think it was too complicated, I just had no idea it existed until I joined r/redditalternatives.

I love the old internet feel. Once I saw the fesiverse 'map' it made perfect sense.

The thing I'm struggling with the most is being able to subscribe to communities on some instances with this account but not all instances. And being able to add some instances to an app (liftoff, tusk) but not all. That's the most frustrating for me right now.

[–] rickdg@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

To be fair, the most diversity I'm seeing in an userbase right now is the one on tiktok. That's definitely a plus, but at what cost? There are trade-offs in every platform.

[–] monobot@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yes, that's why it is so good.

I guess we are the ones remembering how it was 15+ years ago

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[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago
  1. Yes, in my late 30s.
  2. I was a computer scientist, but now I have done a complete 180. But I'm still a nerd at heart.
  3. Yup, I'm a Linux user.

But we have to understand that Lemmy/Kbin are still babies, they've just started. And I really believe that it will continue to grow and get better at accommodating users who are not tech nerds. But it will be an organic process.

The more Reddit gets worse (no more moderation bots, no good moderation tools from Reddit, etc.), the more people will migrate to Lemmy/Kbin. This migration will force the community to adapt and make it easier and easier for users to integrate.

[–] gooddaytodayhere@vlemmy.net 9 points 2 years ago

Fit the first one. Not the other two 😂

[–] Devgard@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

from my own experience, that's definitely the case for Mastodon, except people are 40 and up.

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[–] ErwinLottemann@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago

I use arch btw

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 9 points 2 years ago

I wonder what it is that is keeping more diverse users away?

The more diverse users are the ones that aren't realistically worried about their online privacy and are too used and comfortable with what the big names offer. They're more likely to be the ones that would only move once "everyone they know" moves.

Also, consider that the "advertising", the message and reason for joining the fediverse, It's like [Twitter/Reddit/Instagram] when they were good, minus the corporate meddling and greed and algorithmic shit shoveling!, only really catches the attention of a few types of people.

Average Joe and Jane won't move out, "there's nobody there (that they care about)". Internet famous Joes and Janes won't move either, because they will lose a significant portion of followers.

People are willing to put up with A LOT of shit to avoid moving out of places like Instagram, Twitter, Reddit or Tiktok, since the time spent there makes them feel like it's a place where they belong to.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

That's how reddit used to be before Digg shit the bed.

[–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I mean, I'm 32, my husband is a software dev, and I've been curious about Linux, but not enough to make the move. 😅 So, one of of three.

But I agree with the others. It's probably partly due to the signup. I also think that the techy prime are the ones who understand what happened with Reddit better and are more likely to care.

[–] MrNemobody@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I thought Lemmy didn't collect info about me 🧐

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Maybe I'm am outlier but I'm 21 and here.

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[–] GAMER@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Gosh I feel like this guy called me out.

But then I saw the user name.

Hmmm.....

This is also me: I'm a 39 year old Ubuntu user who has been excited about the Internet since the day I first learned what a modem does, in maybe like, 1990?

So far I think Lemmy's a bit too technical for regular people to get started with the Fediverse and to figure out how to find the right communities to join in order to have content show up in their feed comparable to what they're already getting at a commercial service, which takes no effort at all to continue to scroll. Why would a normal person want to use alpha release software? We're still in the early days, we're the early adopters.

[–] Crudman@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm normier than the listed demographics and find the Fediverse and it's associated jargon to be inline with 4 dimensional crochet in terms of ease of use

[–] Crudman@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

To make myself clear I'd rather be confused about lemmy servers than ever, ever use Discord as a wiki

[–] I_AnoN_I@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

23 year old electrician here. I'm pretty interested in dectralized tech. My first was Bitcoin

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Picking a server is complicated... And I still don't get how to get content from other servers into my main feed.

But the other thing is monitization. If you build up a decent filling on TikTock for example, they pay you. My kids friends are all chasing that.

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[–] ted_pikul@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I fit the profile

[–] mycroft@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

"You must be new here"

We're always the first adopters.

[–] AlaskaMan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m 36 but a tech potato.

I can build a computer and do basic troubleshooting. That’s about it.

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[–] pfannkuchen_gesicht@lemmy.one 8 points 2 years ago

Hah, I fit the description perfectly. Not too sure how to take that. ☹️

[–] ZombieZookeeper@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Get off my lawn.

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

You just described the demographics of the average early tech adopter.

Old enough to understand the importance of privacy and to care about the federation aspect of the fediverse, tech savvy and nerdy enough to not be discouraged by an unfamiliar interface and still developing environment. And apparently we like Linux too.

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