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Scientists deliver ‘final warning’ on climate crisis: act now or it’s too late
(www.theguardian.com)
It's already too late.
this post was submitted on 01 Nov 2023
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Yup, people wouldn't like the changes we would already have to make in order to save the planet
Like if people can't be bothered to boycott companies like Nestle how do you expect them to give up way more than some Nestle products for something they wont feel the worst effects off. If they lack empathy for living people how would they have it for future generations...
(Actually maybe because some of those people don't see living children as equal to potential future children because the color of their skin and their economic conditions we might actually have a chance)
I dunno, I think it's doable. The messaging, that is. Problem is who owns the messaging service, and do they want to comply. I'm old enough to just remember the ozone layer. Everyone cared! Worldwide. No one fought the message. We all chipped in. And it worked. The problem isn't that people don't or won't care, it's serving them an effective message and that won't happen when the people who own the media, own the mines.
too late in what sense? what is the inevitable event that will happen? humans are great at adapting, i'm sure we'd find a way
I agree. I used to be like the person above you. Now, I'm more like you are. I've spent less time being pessimistic and more time learning about ancient civilizations, and I gotta say... I feel confident that we'll press through the pressures and be better off for it.
People will still suffer and die, tho. I wish that part wasn't true... but as a species? We'll be just fine
Well we’re fucked
At this point I feel like I've had as many final warnings on climate changes as I have had for my car's extended warranty.
Climate change IS real, not saying that it isn't but you would think Scientists would pick a different tactic given that "But 20 years ago you said the world would end in 5 years!"
Is a common skeptic gotcha.
Our real final warning was 20 years ago. Everything after is just a desperate attempt to get people to actually realize how fucked we already are and how much worse it'll be if we don't do something about it.
Then there's people like you who apparently don't pay attention to weather patterns because globally they're fucked right now. And all scientific data shows they're just gonna keep getting worse.
Remember how bad hurricane Katrina was? How it was talked about for years? We're gonna be getting storms much stronger than that on a more regular basis. Some parts of the world already are.
No, I'm paying attention and I'm well aware of how bad the situation is, but saying this is the last chance every 10 years is the kind of talk that creates skepticism at a time when we can't afford skepticism
The problem is when people claim the end of the world they get put into the "crazy" box. A lot of people throughout human history have claimed "the end of times" due to delusion or misinformation.
What we have now though is actual scientific evidence that shows what's going to happen and that it's happening.
The best time to start fixing this was 40 years ago. The second best time is now.
They need to figure out how to do this without sending off the "woo alarm"
we really have to spoon-feed this shit to a billion children throwing a tantrum of idiocy
Which is a very difficult thing to achieve especially in the age of disinformation.
And again when you tried using the apocalypse is here as a scare tactic for several decades, when facts alone would have sufficed
facts alone would have sufficed
But they didn't. We were presented with the facts in the 80's. We saw the effects in the early 2000's. Remember the hole in the ozone layer? The one caused by mass pollution? Govts around the world chose to believe science and ban the production of a lot of chemicals and the ozone layer healed.
Then everyone collectively forgot pollution was dangerous and started pumping it out as much as they could legally* get away with.
*It's not hard to get away with doing it illegally
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They're all the same one, we just keep fucking up the future even further and constantly choosing to blow by terrible milestones
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Not to be contrarian, I know this is an ever growing problem, but is it really doing any good to continue phrasing the issue like this?
It’s starting to sound like those cults who predict the end of the world every 10 years.
Let the data speak for itself. Show the models and the projected results. I truly believe that we are in a dire position, but the current method of communication is not working.
Also, I don’t believe the feedback mechanisms are ever emphasised enough. Climate change isn’t linear and global temperatures will increase exponentially, even if our rate of emissions increases linearly over time. Warmer air holds more water vapor and melting permafrost releases additional greenhouse gases, both exacerbating the greenhouse effect.
It’s starting to sound like those cults who predict the end of the world every 10 years.
People have been trying to get people to care for 60 - 100 years with data and projections and it has done nothing.
Let the data speak for itself. Show the models and the projected results. I truly believe that we are in a dire position, but the current method of communication is not working.
As above, this was the first thing that was tried and it doesn't work, why would it work now?
Also, I don’t believe the feedback mechanisms are ever emphasised enough. Climate change isn’t linear and global temperatures will increase exponentially, even if our rate of emissions increases linearly over time. Warmer air holds more water vapor and melting permafrost releases additional greenhouse gases, both exacerbating the greenhouse effect.
True, but if we can't get people to care at all, they won't care about the nuance
Most people are too dumb to understand projections.
That was my exact thought. They said it was too late 20 years ago. Stick to your guns and just tell people how fucked they are now.
Keep in mind that the original papers probably use reasonable words like "increased effects", "vulnerability", and maybe even "irreversible".
The spokespeople take that and come up with phrases like "urgency", "crisis", and "last chance".
Then the media takes that and comes up with "We all gon' die".
Politicians: "Okay, but what if money instead?"
If we zoomed into politicians brains it would just be circus music and cash register sounds.
Can someone let me know when is it acceptable to turn into to Unabomber.
Because if it weren't for his story I would just go move into to the middle of nowhere and stay there until we die.
But If I don't even get to have nature it's just fucking heartbreaking
Do it! I won't tell anyone.
Good try, but I'll just be productive and create companies that antagonize the fuckers who keep burning the world down.
At the very least I Wana make sure they can't make it to their bunkers benfore shit goes down XD
My retirement plan is to spend my last years shitting down the ventilation pipes of rich peoples bunkers on an uninhabitable earth.
if a bunch of people do it without cooperating you can be the multi una bombers
Ahahhaha the best comment ever, thanks dad
Meh. Surely this time will be different.
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