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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 172 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I think that it is because many Americans have no experience with the other as a lifestyle.

[–] homes@piefed.world 66 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I’ve had it both ways, and I was never happier than when I was living in Brooklyn, with access to excellent public transit and lots of walking-distance community support.

And, believe it, or not, my cost of living was half the price to living in Orlando, with a car. Also, I made more when living in Brooklyn. also, Orlando sucks.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Orlando sucks

Have been to Orlando once. Can confirm. It sucks. The residents suck. The commercialism sucks. Plus there are tiny lizards everywhere, and you don't want to step on them, but you're like "c'mon little guys, I just want to walk on the sidewalk. I don't want to crush you....but you DO crush them if you walk on the sidewalk. It's inevitable. And then you feel bad.

[–] mrnobody@reddthat.com 19 points 1 week ago

Anoles. They're everywhere. But don't feel bad, they often drop their tails to evade predators, and also they don't live long enough to really understand what's going on with these giants walking on their basking rocks lol.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have lived in Tampa for my whole life without ever stepping on a lizard. Yes they are all over, but they aren't running underfoot. I don't like Orlando, so haven't spent much time there but the lizards can't be that different.

I once (before cell phones put a video recorder in our pockets) saw an epic battle between a lizard and a palmetto bug. They were wrestling, same size as each other, thankfully the lizard eventually won. It was like a miniature version of a Godzilla fight.

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[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I've had it both ways, and there's nothing that compares to having your own house and land with privacy away from noisy neighbors.

When I lived in a city there were more things to do, and I could bike to work, but the crowding feels like a social prison. Also I saw some people get shot, and thieves stole things from my porch repeatedly.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I grew up in exactly that kind of environment; really, the land (and the wildlife that comes with it) is the bit I miss the most. I'd take a very modest house on a decent plot of land in the middle of the woods to living in a city.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

I want to live in a modest house within walking distance of downtown and unspoiled wilderness. How do I make this happen?

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[–] aeiou@piefed.social 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Agreed. I live in a walkable city and would love to live somewhere with no neighbors who think blasting "She thinks my tractor's sexy" on repeat eight hours a day is perfectly fine.

[–] teft@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Might I suggest buying an audio spotlight, pointing it at the offending house, and then blasting Baby Shark at them on repeat?

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[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I live in one of my state's few walkable neighborhoods adjacent to a downtown core, when I try to explain to others in the area what it's like, well, they've never had any reason to use sidewalks besides the yearly trick-or-treat around the cul-de-sac. Vaguely know their neighbors as they wave in passing.

For me the best part was getting a job downtown, by a park, so I can exist almost feeling like a much larger city proper. Main library, tons of restaurants, shops. Historic homes. Neighbors who care for each other and feel like extended family. This is what 'urban' can and should feel like - community.

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or are so unfit that walking places sounds like an insurmountable challenge.

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[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah, this feels more like "people haven't experienced being in a walkable community with good transit". My buddy is having to move back to the States after a year in Germany, and he's so upset that he and his wife are gonna have to get a car again and not just walk/bike everywhere.

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[–] npe@leminal.space 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"best we can do is a small house in a car-based community"

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

"best we can do is a ~~small house~~ 1 bedroom apartment shared with 6 other people in a car-based community"

Don't forget to tip your landlord

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 week ago

Unsurprisingly, a large amount of people prefer the lifestyle they already have than one that is unknown to them.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ok that's misleading a bit. The poll asked if you'd rather live in a larger house that's further from other people but stuff like restaurants are miles away, or smaller and closer together but stuff like restaurants are within walking distance. I'm paraphrasing but only slightly here.

You're extrapolating the car based and walking based part, but these people could also want more public transportation and bike routes. Maybe these people already live in cramped apartment buildings and just dream of having a big house. There's other factors than just "me dum American me want car"

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Seriously, I just don't want to be bothered by people or live in an apartment where I get to hear my neighbors or constantly encounter them.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hyperindividualism and apparent institutionalized agoraphobia.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My agoraphobia comes from a lifetime of being bullied by people so I don’t like people. I like my small house and small suburban backyard that I grow vegetables and have chickens in.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Dunno about your story, but I have worse online experiences having to put up with others too full of themselves compared with the simple neighbors I have.

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[–] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

In many places in the us, apartments are built in such a way where they come with all the negatives, but also without many of the upsides that apartments should have.

I know several people who live in apartments, but there still isn't anywhere to walk to anyways!

Sure you might be able to, but if it requires crossing 80m of asphalt just to cross a street no one is going to do it.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I wouldn't mind living an an apartment building nearly so much if only the building came with shared versions of the amenities a single family home might have: A yard for kids and dogs to run around in, a garden area with planters, a garage so people can work on their vehicles... If a 12 or 24 unit building just had single shared versions of these amenities it would make the apartment lifestyle a lot less restrictive to people who feel pressure to buy a house but don't want to burn their life savings. Two reasons this doesn't happen are regressive zoning codes and landlords treating shelter as an investment to squeeze value.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yeah I could never willingly live in an apartment for many reasons, but a few of them being:

no common outdoor area for pets, so if your dog needs to pee you have to take them for a walk around the block to pee on some tiny patch of grass beside the street.

As you mentioned no garage/driveway to work on a vehicle or even have any other space intensive hobby/activity like woodworking.

Privacy, I just hate having neighbours and noises at all times of the day.

Gardening for more than a couple pots of tomatoes and herbs on a balcony.

And many more

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[–] Houseman@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel the opposite as an American I never get asked these questions though. so I always wonder who they are asking.

[–] SillyMe@piefed.social 19 points 1 week ago

the type of people who actually answer their phones and don't hang up when the surveyor starts asking questions.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago

that's because they still aren't bearing the TRUE costs of suburban sprawl. it's still "cheaper" to live in suburban hell than in the city.

if the math started to make more sense, many more would choose walkability

[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago

They didnt ask me or anyone I know

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Rigged question: would you rather live in a big house or an apartment? Obviously people will choose a big house duuuh

[–] No_Maines_Land@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I would rather live in a big house/apartement in walkable area than a big house/apartment in a car dependant area. But thats not the question they asked.

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[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd say most people move out of the city into a big house because the land value and house is much more affordable than close to the city. However the lower price is then offset by the extra travel time to and from work, costs for car, petrol and maintenance.

In the end you don't really save any money, you just spend it on either car and time or land value.

[–] Kaz@lemmy.org 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Time is the most valuable commodity you will ever own.

Anyone that chooses a life with loads of transport are sort changing themselves big time.

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[–] ugandan_airways@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 week ago

Probably due to most of them already living in car based societies that are far apart. Living like that makes me people hate their neighbors, and they want no one to encroach on their kingdoms

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's well-known that how you ask the question in a survey can drastically skew the response, and so we have to interpret these results based on the specific questions they asked.

We know from sale prices that people actually covet walkable areas, so much so that the accusation of "rich elitist" gets tossed at proponents of walkable cities. Those places are so much more expensive. So maybe people are thinking of "houses that I can afford" when they answer this survey? Or, they're answering it from the perspective of already needing a car, so a little extra driving is no big thing.

What would the results be if they asked things like, "Do you prefer neighborhoods where kids can safely play outdoors, or neighborhoods where there is too much traffic danger?" Or, if that's too biased, "where children can walk to school versus taking a bus or being driven?" Maybe break up the question, "Do you prefer to have stores located near where you live, or do you want them farther away?"

There are lots of different ways to ask, and the different results would be informative.

(Also, this survey relies on self-reported urban/rural distinctions, and those answers are wildly inaccurate, to say the least.)

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Most Americans are selfish fucks.

Signed,

An American.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

55% is just past half, and the US is pretty sprawling. I wouldn't call my house big, or small either, but being able to walk or bus to work is something I have not compromised on since I was 20, it's more important than a big house. Which apparently puts me in a large minority.

I feel bad for the 45% of suburbanites who would prefer to be closer to everything, we have those house farms in the exurbs here. The houses are big, but not far apart. I know several people who moved down here, bought one of those houses because they looked nice, them realized how trapped they were, but right now the price of houses in my previously very affordable neighborhood in the city has risen to eye-watering levels, and that is true for most of the areas in the city.

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[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If i were too fat to walk, i would too

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[–] madde@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well 40 % of Americans are still supporting Trump as per latest polls.

Maybe decades of lead exposure in childhood are just not ideal for the development of a reasonable population in a country.

[–] ayane@lemmy.vg 14 points 1 week ago

The poetry in this is that said lead exposure largely came from... cars.

I have the best of both worlds: small house in a car-based community. Sigh.

[–] arcine@jlai.lu 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Some of us have big houses in walkable communities. You can have both, though you have to sacrifice on the yard / lawn (which is a good thing anyways, seeing what Americans do with theirs ; which is to say they do nothing, and on purpose too !)

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I have 3 kids. In the city I can afford a 2 bedroom in the suburbs I can get whatever I need. It's not that I prefer it... It's not really an option

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Well, it is a country famous for being stupid and selfish and celebrating both...

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why not both?

Big yard

Small town

Everything you need in the town centre

Bus going around every 30 minutes

Good enough for me.

When I started writing this post I thought

I would only write two or three

Lines

And now this format has proven

Inefficient

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Doesn't work if the small town is one gigantic stroad of abandoned or soon to fail local shops, that cuts the town in half. And the only flanking businesses are corporate mega chains that asphyxiate the local economy. Which are like 90% of small towns™ in the USA.

[–] JamesTBagg@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, I want a garage and space to work and store my cars and motorcycles, space for my tools. I want yard space for my dogs. Shit, my dream home is a garage with a house. If I didn't have the hobbies I do a city apartment would be cool. But then I remembering hearing the neighbors through the walls, or partiers through the windows outside.
I'm lucky enough to be in a house very near a walkable urban area in my city, I've got the best of both worlds. I'd regularly walk my dogs through on a 3 mile loop; we became regulars at a couple bars and one of the pet stores... until my girl became crippled in the hind legs. Maybe we'll go again when she gets more comfortable with her wheel chair.

Given the choice, I want space.

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[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most people are introverts, or at least not extroverted, given the option. Small houses mean your neighbors are on top of you, you have to hear them, probably interact with them, on a near daily basis. You have to control your noise, your pet choices are limited, and you probably don't have a yard.

Few people want that. Some people love it.

[–] usrtrv@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I find this ironic as an introvert. I rarely interact with any of my neighbors since it was an apartment with constantly rotating rents. My apartment complex had more people than the rural town I grew up in. City living it's easy to be one of the faceless masses. My rural family loves to talk to and gossip about neighbors. They constantly run into people they know at the few stores they have.

Edit: City life can have close knit communities. But it seems more opt-in than forced.

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[–] glibg@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

If the suburbs weren't subsizided and homeowners had to pay premiums for living so far from central services it may change their opinion.

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