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Reviews (as an addition to human reviews) is actually one thing that AI does pretty well. It's not good for large architectural issues but it can point out nuanced issues in single files that often wouldn't be caught otherwise
I keep saying this but painting any use of AI at all as the same as vibe coding just harms the real complaints against it, ESPECIALLY in this case where it's subtracting from another real issue (the age gating)
I agree AI in the hands of someone competent is just a speedup. Stupid stuff like making serializer for endpoints is tedious work most of the time
Exactly, yeah. I actually really like AI for line completion and the occasional use of it for debugging. It really just enhances existing IDE features.
The problems with it come with large unreviewed chunks of code generated by LLMs being thrown carelessly into a codebase. A developer asking for an AI code review or a developer letting AI complete a line they were likely writing anyway to save time is so far removed from the problem that it just screams mindless anti-hype or overly-confident inexperience by juniors
I'm personally pretty skeptical of the value of AI code reviews - there's tooling for it where I work, where they will auto-submit a review on any PR I open. I've never actually received a comment of any value from it, while my peers can find things that need resolving without any issue.
A poor supplement, and absolutely not a substitute.
And this is coming from someone not entirely opposed to all kinds of AI tooling
It's not good for large architectural issues but it can point out nuanced issues in single files that often wouldn't be caught otherwise
Yeah I agree. It's sometimes good at code smells, though sometimes it can be straight-up wrong in ways that are actually surprising, so it always requires a human in the loop. It's not good at larger-scale architectural decisions, and I'd also add that it's usually not capable of understanding the intent behind business logic.
I always have ai review something before I give it my attention. Itโs nice to have that quick summary to reorient myself when Iโm multitasking and just a nice filter to have in general. It usually brings to attention anything out of the ordinary right away.
You don't seem to understand. This is Lemmy, and all AI is "slop". No exceptions.
Damn the repo also has AGENTS.MD and CLAUDE.md files, I really didn't think systemd is vibecoded
I thought vibe coding was when you don't know what the code does yourself, you just make AI do it and review it without reviewing or understanding it yourself.
That was the origin of the term. Now it's when anyone uses those same tools and techniques regardless of their skill level.
I think the term has a lost a lot in the process then
There's no nuance in the anti-ai discussions. Even breathing next to an LLM makes it slop.
If you wish to increase your sadness and dread a little more, have a look at this list
vlc and mpv? python?? the mesa drivers??? LINUX????
oh weโre so fucked
The list is genuinely stupid and lacks any nuance. See my other comments in this thread but this is sort of thing is where people who are anti-AI are shooting themselves in the foot and making the general public write off any genuine criticism as ridiculous.
Most of those projects allow AI to be used in the dev process and that's it. That list includes projects that just document that things like AI line completion and similar can be used but code is still reviewed by at least one skilled human maintainer
The list combines those projects in with projects that are entirely AI written (vibe coded in the actual original sense) which just muddies the water on what's actually problematic and not
The terms at the top are great.
Sloperator haha. Microsoft employee in other words.
Sadness and dread is a perfect description. As I started reading I was building a mental list of things to stop using - I didn't get very far before I gave up. So many projects I've held up in high regard.
Sadness, dread and defeat.
Edit to add - I want to be clear that I'm not judging the developers of these projects. If they're being overwhelmed with AI generated PRs, they're being forced to use these tools in their "real jobs" and it spills over, or they just feel that this is the way things are going or whatever reason - they've got to do what they've got to do to survive. My sadness, dread and defeat comes from the state of the world and this is just the symptom that's currently front of mind.
There are many viable and better alternatives than what's on that list. there's really nothing there that should make you think "oh...I don't know what to use now" most of the stuff listed is garbage anyways. Like take Zen Browser for example. you can essentially do that yourself on just about any fork of firefox by simply editing the userChrome.css. Librewolf is another example of "doing it yourself" on just about any fork or firefox or just firefox itself.
Really?
My list of "not trivial to replace" is:
Guess you missed the one that said the Linux Kernel. ๐คฃ ๐ญ
~Also, wget over curl? ๐คฆโโ๏ธ~
VLC doesn't surprise me, dude rants all the time about how great vibe coding is.
Librewolf doesn't surprise me.
Kitty 100% does NOT surprise me. The dev is an absolute tool who thinks his shit don't stink but the guy has no clue what he's doing at that end of the day. he rags on multiplexers or the simple act of copying via keyboard multiple lines in the terminal cause he DOESN'T know how to do it so therefore those things are "garbage". of course he uses copilot, when it comes to AI he doesn't even know of a "good" one to use. Don't use Kitty, it's slop from end to end. For example launch tmux in Kitty and then try to change your "kitten theme"...I'll wait.
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I think you might be confusing the columns there. Firefox is listed as project using Ai, Librewolf and Zen are listed as 'alternatives' (a bit silly, since they are soft forks, but whatevs). Neither seem to be listed for LLM usage.
Librewolf is listed as an alternative.
Whenever I hear about kitty, it's always about a negative experience with the dev. I myself have had a negative experience with him. Dude's gonna go down in history as a bad example of how OSS devs conduct themselves
I'm happy with the terminal, though. It's fine for my simple needs
Oh noโฆ reading this, I think I just died a little insideโฆ couldnโt finish the listโฆ
Those files are not proof of vibe coding. Agents, while still AI trash, are not necessary vibe coding.
Maybe the systemd haters were right all along?
Maybe the systemd haters were the friends we made along the way?
OpenRC was always better regardless of the hate
โ A user dob field make much more sense here. User age will change constantly and need to be maintained.
โ๏ธ Inconsistent spacing
Nm, the actual code is a BirthDate in iso 8601 YYYY-MM-DD format
actually, if the legislation doesn't specifically demand that they store user's actual date of birth, if I were to design this system, I would simply ask the user a yes/no question of whether they're at least 18 at the time of answering the question. If they answer yes, it won't expire because the time doesn't go backwards. I could also store the date exactly 18 years before the answer is given as a pseudo-DoB, that could be used, later on, to, for example, prove that the user is at least 21 for whatever reason. Most importantly, this would ensure that the user doesn't give any unnecessary identifying information to the system.
I think the best system is an operating system that stores the exact date, but exposes it via an API that only returns a boolean. You trust your own local machine, but don't necessarily trust random apps or websites. And they don't need to know anything more than whether you pass a particular age gate.
It would be hilarious if all thise drama, legislation, and lobbying just made a bill so poorly made we're right back where we started.
People are throwing a stupid fit over the userdb having an age field in addition to the other info
Yes but I'll try to expand on that for anyone not in the know.
In general there's been a wealth of info about users but you didn't necessarily need info in there. Like GECOS where you can store the full name, phone numbers, etc.
These are simply fields made available but not required. Systemd is making it available but your OS itself doesn't need to use it at all.
Now I personally very much disagree with all this age verification BS but systemd isn't really doing anything extreme here nor unprecedented.
Ah, for fuck's sake... Anyone know how to switch to a different init system on openSUSE? /srs
I'm sure it's possible but do you really want to go through the effort? And afterwards for every single issue you get you're on your own.
Too late anyway. I've started distrohopping again.
No, we can go lower still...
Glad I renewed my FSF membership. Rocking Guix with the herd init system
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