Today I Learned

I’m a white American from the northeast and I felt the same way. When trump won the first time, it felt like I’d just discovered that the floor underneath my bed was rotting away.

I was blind to it because I didn’t need to see it, but it was always there. My relative privilege insulated me and ensured that I contributed to the problem

As an American I feel exactly the same. There absolutely were holdouts of racism, but I felt we were moving forward and leaving them behind. Obama’s presidency set the stage, then trump and covid set everything on fire and the mask came off. “Draining the swamp” just meant revealing the scum at the bottom of it and setting it free. I was shocked at how many racist, petty, selfish, aggressively ignorant people there are in the US.

We were racist long before Obama.

And what country are you from where racism is not an issue?

After Obama, it’s incredible how most white people have become extremely right-wing extremists

That hasn’t been my anecdotal observation. Obama’s election definitely freaked out the existing White racists and motivated them to get more politically active, but I haven’t seen non-racist Whites suddenly become racist because a Black man finally got elected president. Where are you seeing this? Better yet, is there research or polling data documenting it?

Seeing Americans label Obama as the most “divisive” president was eye opening…

Meanwhile, Trump was saying Obama isn’t even a US citizen! All while specific persons are saying Obama is dividing the nation…

It’s disgusting…

That kind of contextual information is useful, but beware of anybody giving it to you without the bigger context of absolute numbers before and after. Liberal media loves using shifts like this to imply there's a bunch of centrists who decided to change which way they're leaning instead of "dems failed to improve the material conditions for their constituents, so fewer people voted dem. Meanwhile 12 black business owners voted republican instead of 6, an increase of 100%"

In 2016, CNN and MSNBC spent months using that type of framing to blame black people for Hillary's loss, essentially calling them ungrateful, homophobic, sexist, conservatives.

Disclaimer: the following is just my opinion and not to be taken as gospel. This is not financial advice.

The hope for them is that one day, after proving their ability to suffer a boot upon their neck, they will have proved themselves worthy to put their boot on someone's neck.

How does one perpetuate slavery?

Turn some of the slaves into masters.

US feminism is mostly centering on the issues of white, middle-class women, failing to fully integrate the needs of women of color, marginalized, or lower-income women.

Literally the only feminism I've heard about for the past 10 years is intersectional feminism.

Also 53% of white women vote for trump compared to 7% of black women who voted for trump. This showed that they gave more priority to racial identify over collective welfare of all women in usa .

Very much a just-so story. Imo, a far more reasonable interpretation breaks voting patterns along tribal identity, while most women voting care about more things than the very amorphous "collective welfare of all women". Interesting to note that 38% of latina voters voted for Trump, a statistic strangely absent from your argument...

White feminist often ignore or won’t acknowledge that in usa —specifically land ownership and early capital accumulation were built upon the exploitation of Native American and African people.

I have never met a single self-identifying feminist who would not agree with this to some extent.

The wealth generated by the labor of enslaved African people in agriculture and other industries directly enriched white slaveholders and, by extension, their present generation .

I think Adam Smith would have a lot to say about this. Specifically, he would probably point out that the slave states really had an awfully small economy compared to the free states, and that most of the wealth generation which occurred in the US occurred due to productivity gains driven by technological innovations which were most aggressively exploited in the north. In the long run, few people could claim to have really benefitted noticeably from american slavery - it was just a shitty thing to do for no reason.

Despite DEI mostly benefitted white women

I mean, from the pro-DEI arguments I keep hearing on lemmy, DEI seems to mostly involve removing names from resumes before they are rejected by AI or something. But I wouldn't be surprised if this critique had merit - most people who benefit from adding footholds inside the system are people who know how to work the system.

2)Most of the educational scholarships are benefitted by white women over native American ,black women

I really don't have anything to say to this, because it feels like you kind of just shut down in the middle of a rant. Are you okay? Did you have a stroke?

That assumes they recognize the class struggle.

The problem can be exceptionalism.

Where the person thinks they started from nothing no matter how elevated their position was.

This leads to the thought that anyone below them didn't try as hard as they did and any attempts to uplift will belittle their accomplishments.

Messaging must maintain the uplifting of the entire working class. Then they will support you because the self interested have something to gain.

discrimination is not always straight forward as we think, it's a heirarchy , even one group that is discriminated is capable of discriminating others which are lower than them

almost!?

The Latino vote I fully understand. They are predominantly Catholic and strongly oppose abortions. The Latinos voted for ICE boots on thier neck rather than women's rights ... and they got exactly what they voted for.

Did anyone think racism was a solved problem?

Plenty of Republican women voters are post-menopausel already. Plenty are insistent that their daughters get pregnant already, or that their son's sexual partners carry a fetus to term.

This isn't a gender thing nearly so much as a class thing.

One of the most important pieces of Trump's 2024 election was getting the Hispanic vote. Sure, he spent years before, during, and after his first term talking about cracking down on immigration on the southern border, talking about how all of the people coming from Mexico or further south were a bunch of criminals and drug dealers. BUT he courted the Cuban population in southern Florida - mostly the descendants of people who were wealthy enough to have their wealth redistributed by Castro. By calling Harris a communist he was able to get their votes, win Florida, and that would have made the difference in the election.

The very concept of who counts as "white" changes depending on what the racists of the time want. In the not-too-distant past, Irish and Italian people were not considered white. I still don't know if Bernie Sanders or other Jews are considered white or not.

Even for data like this... Is it really a black women vs white women issue, or is it a rich person vs poor person issue? And yes, those economic division have deep roots in the history of racism, but that doesn't explain the whole picture.

Look at the people around Trump. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is one of those Cuban south Floridians. Secretary of Labor Lori Chavez-DeRemer is a Hispanic woman. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard is part Samoan, born in Somoa. FBI Director Kash Patel is Indian - his family fled persecution in Uganada.

And then there's foreign policy. Trump seems to largely be pushing the USA away from predominantly white European countries that have historically been allies. Trying to break up NATO and undermine the EU, making threats against Canada and Greenland. Cozying up to Muhammed Bin Salman.

The people in power love when the masses fight amongst themselves.