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In 1962
Does not make it less outrageous, but I thought it's good to know it's not a recent proposal
In the modern era, the US president doesn't need to actually have a justification for starting a war, just the possibility of profit.
It's not a war, it's an engagement of political discourse through military action to accommodate business interests.
Agressive negotiations?
Unilateral discourse, of course!
Because they control all the media. So their talking heads just make up some obvious lies, and they are spouted and propagated without being challenged by actual journalism.
There's a lot of crazy conspiracy theorists who believe Kennedy rejecting the operation in 1962 may have had something to do with his head doing that thing it did in Dallas in 1963.
Obviously not the only factor. He had a lot of strikes against him for pushing back on the plans of men who weren't elected to run the United States, but felt entitled to do so on account of knowing what was best for democracy.
I bet there is a proposal, we just haven't learned about it yet.
The United States has always been the villain of the story. But they used to at least try to hide it behind a sheen of soft power. The only difference between now and then is that Trump unabashedly takes the mask off and gives no fuck what the rest of the world thinks.
US is the Andrew Tate of global politics right now. They were a lot more subtle about it before though. But the core values that have always held throughout history are absolute self-interest, entitlement, and hubris.
Apply Gestalt Theory to the US and watch how unrestrained capitalism raised this baby from an idealist freedom seeker and into a narcissistic bully with self-aggrandising sophist reasoning and a pure Machiavellian outlook on life.
Trump only did away with the pretences, by firing the people who took care of the subtle masquerade. He didn’t like the pushback from them on global policy, and because the shoes already fit, decided to just do it live on stage without the makeup.
Unfortunately for US citizens, that means that they get to experience the splashback as he pisses on their international credibility.
A historically meticulously curated and maintained image that’s now irrevocably ruined forevermore. No sane person can trust a promise or a treaty made through US foreign policy ever again.
Honestly I'm kinda shocked that they didn't do a false flag to justify the Iran invasion. Back during Trump I, there were random drone attacks against freighters in the Strait of Hormuz that I would be shocked if they were actually from Iran. Did the guy in charge of that program get fired or get sent to die in Gaza?
Why bother with a false flag when they aren't being held accountable for any of the blatantly illegal things they are doing?
Well, if the US imposed a draft for an invasion of Iran right now, it would likely lead to massive civil unrest - the war is very unpopular, especially among young people. At the moment, it's a very distant thing for Americans, being told that you're going to go off and die in Iran for the benefit of Israel would probably be the breaking point for people.
civil unrest is perfect. they can just arrest the protesting civillians and put them to work in the for profit prisons, leaving only compliant civilians. win-win.
Playing catch-up, we'll get one
Are they incompetent or do they not care?
Yes.
Well, we don't really know for sure yet because it's so recent -- the US does have a 'clone' of Iran's Shahed drone called the LUCAS, which Iran has claimed the US has used in false-flag attack against civilian targets in the Gulf. We won't know for sure until the intelligence around the Iranian invasion is declassified, which probably won't be for several decades.
Honestly, I think if this war continues to escalate, a false flag on US soil becomes more and more likely, to get support for an invasion of Iran.
support for an invasion of Iran.
They don't actually intend boots on the ground against a mountainous country of 90 million right?? Right after Afghanistan?
Like they could probably set up a green zone in Tehran and then what? Just kinda hide behind the walls forever?
Hegseth sent a couple thousand Marines to the Med, and he apparently thinks a ground invasion is at least ONE plan on the table. I do truly think Hegseth thinks that it's just like Iraq in a video game, where it's all flat, featureless desert.
Or, more likely, Hegseth doesn't care about the lives lost, and thinks that we can just throw bodies and missiles at Iran to cow then into submission. That seems in line with his stupid "warrior ethos" shit.
It worked so well for Vietnam so why not
It would be the stupidest decision that Trump could ever make, for sure. The problem is that Trump doesn't exactly have a history of making good strategic decisions, and he purged his administration of people who disagreed with him, and is seemingly taking advice from Benjamin Netanyahu. I really, really hope that a ground invasion of Iran doesn't happen, it would be like Vietnam, except Iran has the 13th most powerful military in the world and has been preparing for this war for 40+ years.
Afghanistan was a huge success. Rich people made billions.
The CIA is full of bastards now, but it was also full of bastards back then too.
These proposals were rejected by John f Kennedy, a Democrat
Yeah - JFK was more than happy to commit acts of terrorism against Cuban people, but he drew the line at Americans. Great example of the difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Back then it was the President keeping the military in check. Now we have to hope the opposite happens
The kind of sick minds to propose this and then seriously consider it is beyond me. Truly depraved and without morals.
All to overthrow a foreign government because they might harm America's economic interests.
If a communist government has that massive of an effect on the US economy, maybe the US economy should change how it economies.
Majority of wars started by the US started Like this. Is anyone studying history? Are you seriously surprised by this? Why is this even top secret, anyone reading knows
Wouldn't be the first time.
That's what they were up to as early as the 1960s. By the late 90s they learned not to leave a paper trail.
Israel did the same thing to us in the 1960s to goad us into a war with Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Just wait until you see the one being planned to justify postponing the elections.
Plans were rejected by JFK in 1962. Hmmm I wonder what happened to him the next year or so..
I'm assuming Trump will make up an excuse to attack Cuba now. Hell he doesn't even need an excuse to wage war at this point.
Wow its almost like they wanted the twin towers. What's a national tragedy over a for profit trillion dollar military complex and billions in oil and gas. Who cares if your expendables die that's what they get paid for.
No one show this to Trump
No one read this to Trump