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[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You're less likely to die in a car than on a bike.

Also motorcycles are off the chart.

Actually safety is just "how likely you are to be killed by a car" isn't it?

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Per mile, but because of how many people drive, the average person is many times more likely to die in a car.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

A fair amount of motorcyclists manage to do themselves in on their own, but based on the shit I’ve heard from riders about near misses I’d bet it’s more car induced than anything.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Generally there's a Dunning-Kruger effect that kills motorcyclists (same for pilots) in the first year or two, or some close calls scare them off motorbikes. Old / experienced motorcyclists are so hyperaware that they do pretty well.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The hyper awareness killed the enjoyment for me.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

That’s why I haven’t kept one. Too tiring for anything more than very short rides. I’d rather ride my bicycle on rail trails and safe(r) lanes.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, alcohol is involved in ~1/3 of US motorcycle accidents. Americans are uniquely dangerous to themselves in motorcycles compared to other countries.

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

A year ago I learned that in my state most motorcycle crashes are single party (meaning there was no other vehicle/pedestrian involved), and of those, most motorcyclists were under the influence (drunk or drowsy). Still the most dangerous mode of transportation any way you cut it, but that particular mode of transportation happens to be really attractive to knobheads, just being a responsible rider will improve your odds on the road by leaps and bounds.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

As someone living in 1:1 car/motor ratio place, i can't say the percentage of it, but i can say a huge amount of it is caused by reckless motorcyclist. Some people should only be allowed to take public transport.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actually safety is just “how likely you are to be killed by a car” isn’t it?

Wonder how this transfers to a plane 👀

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Well the best way to not get killed by a car is to be 40,000 feet away. The next safest way is to be a fucking train.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you’ve never wanted to die on a bike, you’re not pedaling hard enough! Or it’s not 95 F/35 C outside, one or the other.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok I forgot to charge my ebike and had to fucking raw dog up a hill and started to realize what a slob I am.

I did want to die.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I ended up saying fuck it and walked my ebike the rest of the way up the hill. I almost died of embarrassment.

[–] cravl@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just change the x-axis to "Desire for Death" and the y-axis to "Likelihood of Death" (not necessarily your own) and it's golden. 😅

[–] MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Nah.. the current version will have better reach.

[–] Jokulhlaups@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Perfection 

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Bicycle should be tied to public transit, the one at the old bike place should be a motor driver.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My problem with the whole "flying is the safestv way to travel" argument is one of sample size and traffic volume. Until the quantity and density of planes is closer to what you see flying down the interstate, it's an apples and oranges comparison.

[–] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

The point is that humans are weird at evaluating risk.

Past a certain size, sample size stops mattering. You can filter the data to try and control for outliers and confounding variables, but with as much data we have on driving and flying, it's just a fact that you are much more likely to be in an accident in a SINGLE car drive than you are in a SINGLE airplane ride.

And if you really think about it, it makes sense. All the pilots are heavily trained. They mostly don't need to be constantly alert looking for other vehicles/pedestrians. The density of traffic in the air is much lower than a road, so you're just way less likely to hit another plane and you don't need to avoid pedestrians.