This seems to suggest that shitting on our allies, behaving erratically, and stabbing them in the back (and front) isn't the best way to build a broad coalition devoted to mutual interests, to say nothing of a narrow coalition devoted to obvious imperialism. I look forward to learning more about this hypothesis in The Art of the Deal 2.
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Also suggests Trump floated the idea with the press before discussion in detail with, you know, the actual people who would be sending the boats
Everyone is heavily incentivized to watch Trump sweat a bit more.
I imagine there are very few leaders who wouldn't be happy to see Trump replaced.
Why would we come to his aid to mitigate this catastrophic unforced error.
The US has fucked everyone. I've literally been angry about it for a decade now.
The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.
Even Bush had a coalition of the willing.
NO country should side with Trump unless Trump is open to negotiated-ceasefire/settlement.
Otherwise, they're just backing baldfaced imperialism.
& the minute that Trump decides that negotiated isn't on the table anymore?
Withdraw support.
Principles are what no political-gov't can have the spine to have, though.
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I have to respectfully disagree. There is no such thing as "negotiation" with Trump and his admin. Serial bad faith actors with no checks and balances from courts or congress. They have no rule of law. It's a tin pot dictatorship where no deals are ever honoured.
It is pointless to engage at any level. They act and react, everyone else acts and reacts. That's it. When Trump is dead, the same rules apply because the courts and congress are still populated with the same people that enabled him.
We can save a lot of time and money and just eject US embassies worldwide for at least the next 20 years. US Diplomacy is dead.
NO country should side with Trump. Doesn’t need to be more reason.
This is really stupid, just from a strategic point of view, let alone from a moral or political perspective. Sending ships into the Strait just puts those ships in the line of fire...so, why would anyone actually agree to send ships there?
Iran has the "high ground" here. There is no way for ships to take back control of the Strait this way. All the US is doing, is asking allies to take losses for no reason.
My opinion is he knows ships will be sunk so he wants it to be someone else's ships. Let's not forget Iran has a ton of mini submarines probably sitting quietly waiting.
Or… he’s asking them to take losses because he doesn’t consider them allies. World conquest would be easier with the Chinese and UK navies out of the way.
The fact he included China is the funniest part. Chinese ships are already passing through the strait with Iran's blessing, why the fuck would they ever help lmfao
As it should. NATO is a defense alliance, not a pedoking/kingbibi distraction gone bad. I hope the EU can keep holding on, because the influx into far right parties and EU election tampering has become noticeable enough to possibly change this in the future.
Why isn't the Orange ShitGoblin using the 'Board of Peace' to sort this trifling issue out?
Good. Fuck the US, Israel and Trump. And fuck anyone and everyone that supports this pedophilic nazi piece of shit.
The United States needs a regime change
Were we not in a trade war with everyone all year? Why would they help us? Should have got the details worked out before starting shit if you were going to need help you stupid orange fuck.
He is just looking for someone to be left holding the bag that he has already filled with shit.
Israel.
Israel is the perfect scapegoat on this, all trump has to do is pull his ships back and stop being a defense for Israel.
That's literally what the American Christian right has always wanted with their support of Israel too.
Their doomsday prophecy is:
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Jewish ethnostate in Israel
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War in the Middle East, started by Israel
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Israel getting wiped off the map which causes the rapture
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Nonbelivers have to experience Armageddon
Which was cool with Israel up to step 2, but we just passed that a few weeks ago...
Damn, wasn't it like 5 days ago he said he didn't need the Royal Navy?
If he had consulted his allies BEFORE starting this mess, he would now receive more than indifference and contempt.
He pooped on his allies so they’ve turned their backs on him.
Never has it been more obvious how important it is to get fossil fuels out and invest in solar, wind and nuclear power.
I hope everyone else leaves the U.S. and every petro state with their garbage oil and go their own way by investing in green energy, E.V.s and mass transit.
I thought he didn't need any help with the war he had already won?
Iran has already offered all countries the out of kicking out the US and Israel embassadors so that their ships are allowed to pass the Straight.
Further, my impression is that at least in Europe and especially after the Greenland affair, most of the public opinion thinks Trump is an untrustworthy liar AND because they attacked Iran unprovoked, America and Israel are the ones to blame for the increase in fuel and gas prices they're already feeling.
(There's enough independent press in most of Europe that the "blame Iran" messaging is far from dominant)
The idea of sending European ships into Trump's war is incredibly unpopular and whilst I don't think we're quite yet at the stage were kicking out the American embassador would be popular, the more fuel and gas prices go up the more acceptable it looks.
Then the whole Epstein files thing throws suspicion in people's minds on any European politician that's a little too eager to do what America or Israel wants.
At the very least the offer from Iran introduces doubt and confusion making it far harder for blackmailed European politicians to find a way to justify the incredibly unpopular idea of putting European ships and military at risk because of a war of pure aggression started by America and Israel.
The US has the largest military navy in the world, by far. They can very well choose to "escort ships" on their own, if they're ready to accept the risks that comes with it.
The US is essentially looking for a sucker to stick his neck out for them. The British would be smart to keep out of this one, but again, they're British.
American here.
Our asshole government started this fucking war and is fully responsible for the consequences. Other countries should embargo us until we agree to pay reparations to cover the economic damage caused by the war. Or better yet - seize any assets of American oligarchs to cover damages.
It sounds like I'm ignoring the human cost of the war, and that's because the human cost isn't a concern for those behind Trump. The billionaire class running this country doesn't care about how many innocent people suffer, so they need to be attacked economically.
The world should say "Drop the tariffs and we will talk"
Then say "No".
After mistreating all of his allies, after humiliating Ukrainians in the Oval Office, and after saying he already won this thing multiple times, he keeps requesting others to take risks for him.
Other countries should wait for his navy to get there first before risking their ships and people.
Remember the Greenland thing?
Europe remembers!
Once again, the USA being the only NATO member to ask 'allies' for help, only to later call all of them freeloaders.
Why should any sane country even respond? This is an American-Israeli undertaking. They started it out of folly, they deal with it.
Maybe he should ask his "Board of Peace" for support. There are more than enough bootlickers.
Or the ships should simply follow the law of the seas: the country responsible for the ships' security in such cases is the one they are sailing under. Let's see how Panama, Nigeria, Philippines (or whatever is the cheapest flag of fancy at the moment) run to help.
He's spent the last year alienating all of the United States' allies and in some cases, directly threatening their sovereignty. So of course nobody wants to get involved in his mess.
Not completely muted. Spain and italy made it very clear how they felt.
There's a very simple solution to it. The US fucks off. They've made things a lot worse for themselves and everyone else as it is, so pull out now and we'll all try figure out how to clean this mess up over the next year or two.
So far, the US has not sent its own navy ships to escort tankers through the strait.
Then why would other countries send ships to help in a war that the United States of Israel started without consulting them??? Trump, again, shitting himself and expecting others to clean him.
Calling us is lovely, but what exactly would you like us to do?
We warned you that they would close the strait and that the world would be powerless. Now you went and did it anyway.
So.. Exactly WHAT would you like us to do?
There are mines in that narrow gap now. We need to clear them while Iran is taking potshots at us. Clearing mines takes weeks. Even when NOT being shot at.
No Trump. You break it, you own it.
I thought he had already won the war? Why does he need help again? We wouldn't be any help any way. We wouldn't be anywhere near the front lines according to him.
Trump’s attitude towards the entire world has been nothing but arrogant disrespect. He deserves the same in return.
Apparently it’s illegal for US ships to escort foreign vessels. Seems hard to believe but if it is the case then Trump is really begging.
Apparently it’s illegal for US ships to escort foreign vessels.
And now the Trump regime suddenly cares what is and isn't legal!?!?
Japan isn't considering it. "We'll think of it" is japanese for "No, but saying no directly is rude"