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[–] hesh@quokk.au 208 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

As an American I appreciate how they included both metric (Joules) and imperial (hours running a microwave) measurements

[–] towerful@programming.dev 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I only know how long bald eagles burn for.
How do I convert microwave hours to bald eagle burn time (in number of football games including all dead ball times and the halftime shows)?

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

(in number of football games including all dead ball times and the halftime shows)

Wait are we talking mid-day NFL, primetime (SNF/MNF/TNF/Playoffs), or Superbowl? Or are you talking CFB, and if so is it one of the big conference games or is it only showing on ESPN+?

[–] towerful@programming.dev 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes

(And all owls are superb)

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

....taking into account up to 5 testicles at 60mph, but take away 3 standard rats (not McDonald's rats) to the power of 3 number 2 pencils HD if using mechanical pencils. That comes out to 37burnt eagles and 3 frozen yogurts.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago

Oh I forgot to divide by the length of a Phillips screw driver! That's right!

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[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 86 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Truly every time period of human civilization had something in it that would make future generations shake their heads in disbelief.

"How could they use gigawatthours for crypto farms and useless AI applications while fully aware of a climate crisis caused by fossil fuels?", a student might ask his history teacher some day. "Because they were dumb as fuck.", the teacher might answer.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Did you see the stockarket?!

[–] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

Stronkracket

[–] msage@programming.dev 4 points 2 weeks ago

Shut up, Pam

[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

They definitely need to make measures like this widely available.

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I have a new Retirement plan.

  1. Buy a gun
  2. Shoot it at datacenters.
  3. Eat some chips or something
[–] arcine@jlai.lu 4 points 2 weeks ago

A gun !? You need a Rocket Launcher if you want to do any worthwhile damage !

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (20 children)

3.4 megajoules = 944 watt hours

Microwaves are typically rated at 1200-1500 watts, sometimes more. Do they actually use that much? I'm not sure, stuff typically uses less than the rated power on the label.

[–] wazzupdog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago

Ive seen more 700-1200 watt microwaves.

That's like 2-4 miles in my electric car, depending on outdoor temperature.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's watts, not watt hours though, so it's like microwaving something for a little under an hour, which is unrelatable for most people.

But take your 300 watt gaming PC, play on it for 3 hours, suddenly you're at 900 watt hours and that's probably easier to picture for most people.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago

Except when you do that, you only get 3 hours of boring lame video games, rather than 5 whole seconds of thrilling slop.

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[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think energy consumption matters to most people. I still can't believe the whole planet is "on board" with using a metal box that weighs around a ton, or much more, fill it with fossil fuel, and burn it to move that heavy box and generally a single person everywhere they go. Then they complain about the price of the fuel that is slowly choking the environment they need to drink, eat and live. But we can't say anything bad against cars. Just buy an electric car because it fixes all the problems if you ignore wasted energy, microplastic pollution, noise pollution, the impact of parking, the millions of dead humans every year, and the billion animals considered roadkill every year. There is no more gas problem!

So, I wish this would make some people realize how power hungry and destructive AI can be, but I'm pretty sure most don't give a fuck because "it can be useful", just like cars. So far I've read people defending it saying power usage and efficiency will improve with time. Or that AI will find a tech solution to the AI problem.

It will do the same as the car industry. People will begin to use it, find it some use despite its flaws, and defend it tooth and nails while it's bringing us closer to environmental doom. You will consoom.

[–] Starski@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago

It's kind of hard for me to criticize cars when without one I wouldn't have a job, food, clothes, or really anything of the sort. Absolutely zero thought put into public transportation where I live, and the only bike lanes are about an hour bike ride away, with my job being the same distance. I'm just so tired boss.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Who the hell measures energy in joules?

That's a little under 1kWh. Or playing your gaming PC for 3 hours.

[–] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd much prefer to pay an artist to be using their PC for three hours than a corporation

[–] mr_anny@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

1kWh 3hrs playtime. Not on gaming PC of today. Only my 32" 240Hz display itself consumes more than that.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

That is a choice. My desktop setup, including speakers and monitor (measured at the power outlet), uses below 140 W at full load in games, for 4060 levels of performance. Yes, your system is likely faster but I can play all modern games with it, at a level that is good enough for me. And I don't sit in a sauna while gaming as a consequence. In other words, for that 5 sec AI video I can play 7 hours on my system and that does not even consider the tons of energy spent on training the model.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Also those 3 hours count as "practicing."

Imagine if we counted "training" in this energy cost.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 weeks ago

Or ~100 hours of my laptop doing simple tasks.

Who the hell measures energy in joules?

i do

[–] arcine@jlai.lu 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who the hell measures energy in Wh ? I always convert back to Joules, Watt Hours don't make any sense.

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[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

3 hours running completely flat out that is, which does happen with some games.

Even in those cases the gaming PC is producing roughly 2160x the amount of 'content' per unit of power. Though I guess some (not me) might argue that 5 seconds of AI generated cats fighting politicians has more 'worth' than some 5 second spans of gameplay.

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I know right, it's electron volts or nothing, got to get back to basics

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[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

3.4 giga joules! Great Scott!

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mega, not Giga. It's more of medium sized Scott.

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[–] sheridan@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lighting the planet on fire for SpongeBob police chase videos

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably more like Spongebob with bouncing juggs videos

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Where are those?

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck this just remindede me I left my microwave on.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I can’t wait until the terror 2.0 when we destroy it

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Depends on the model - If you're using Wan 2.x on your RTX 5090 it's like 600W for 10 minutes so roughly 600x600=360kj

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