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Oops. Guess I'm uninstalling Lutris.
Personally, I have blocked Claude on GitHub, which helpfully puts a huge banner on any project it has infected.
Then unless I have absolutely no choice but using it, I get rid of it.
if you're going to stoop so low as to use fucking AI have the decency to show it so people with actual standards know to avoid it. but to be fair, a cat n mouse game of whether it was used or not would make me avoid it anyway
While I may not agree that letting AI write the code is a good idea, the complaints are dumber. It's open source. Just fork it if you have a problem with it.
Trying to hide it is shitty and immature, though. Even more reason to just fork it. They are proving they don't have the maturity or transparency needed to run a project like that.
Won't repeat what I wrote just hours ago in https://lemmy.world/post/44130119/22616090 but just the ending :
"I would personally consider instead Bottles, GOG (have different problems), Steam (obviously not open source and basically monopolistic position), etc.
Overall I think preventing discussion is unhealthy (even though sadly sometimes needed, here I lack context, maybe the issue poster did this numerous time on other platforms, title definitely was provocative) but removing provenance is NEVER a good choice. They want to use Claude on their repo? Absolutely fine (even though not to me) but hiding it makes it instantly untrustworthy to me. In fact I even argued in the past that even though I personally do not use GenAI/LLMs (for coding or otherwise) except for testing it should always be disclosed precisely so that others can make THEIR choice in consequence, including using or contributing, cf https://fabien.benetou.fr/Analysis/AgainstPoorArtificialIntelligencePractices"
The thing that will change society is the fact this dude is covering up all the Claude LLM contributions, that transparency which fosters trust in projects is fundamentally broken. He is creating a narrative that will allow others to simply use LLM sourced code and hide it in human created code. I don't like that, it's pretty disgusting in my opinion, as people should be able to see every bit of code and know who is responsible for it. Mathieu Comandon's integrity is shattered by this serious trespass and it is one that he shouldn't be allowed to get away with. Put him on blast for that otherwise, others will try to do the same thing, potentially reducing the quality of open source projects. Claude LLM usage was already rancid enough...Enough for me to blacklist the whole thing.
As a lover of open source, I plan to skill up and start contributing myself...As there is a reality of not having enough time or people power to maintain such massive projects that have a big scope. I'm in the midst of learning the basics and figuring out what the best programming languages are to learn (Python is going to be my first). I don't want the infection of LLMs to spread any more in the open source community...As there is no way that will turn out to be a net positive for the community.
These AI people are so delusional. They contradict themselves immediately.
But I have over 30 years of programming experience
Then you don't need AI.
In many ways, it couldn't have been implemented in a worse way but it was AI that bought all the RAM, it was OpenAI. It was not AI that stole copyrighted content, it was Facebook. It wasn't AI that laid off thousands of employees, it's deluded executives who don't understand that this tool is an augmentation, not a replacement for humans.
??? The common denominator is AI. By using it you are part of the problem. All mainstream AI is trained on stolen data.
I'm not a big fan of having to pay a monthly sub to Anthropic, I don't like depending on cloud services.
Then don't?
There are massive issues with AI tech, but those are caused by our current capitalist culture, not the tools themselves.
The "tools" require large amounts of storage, RAM, electricity, water etc etc. The only tool is the end user.
Anyway, I was suspecting that this "issue" might come up so I've removed the Claude co-authorship from the commits a few days ago. So good luck figuring out what's generated and what is not.
So they are just an asshole and their excuse finding is just irrelevant.
This guy is maintaining that huge project for an eternity in his free time, but entitled hypocrits like you have audacity to call him an asshole. No one needs your recommendations. Even if you have experience to maintain and develop a project for 16 years and your brain is capable to keep everything in the context, and type hundreds of lines manually for the most tedious tasks—good for you, but there are different people with different brains. AI helpers with proper tooling is a good instrument in hands of a good engineer. They are basically better autocomplete and searching tools, and they are amazing 'rubber duck' companions making coding process psychologically easier if you stressed, anxious, or depressed, but need the job to be done. If you think what you're doing, you won't produce slop whatever instrument you use, if not—you'll write slop without AI.
When bubble pops soon, AI have to become sustainable economically and ecologically. Same happened during the dotcom bubble.
So, either help the project, or leave opensource devs alone
Moral of the story is don’t let Claude do commits. It insists on crediting itself
Also stop harassing openspurce developers
Also be transparent when you have vibecoded commits. There’s no reason to hide it. Just say that parts of your codebase is vibecoded or coded with ai assist and those who don’t like it can fork it or use something else.
I'm over here on Bazzite learning that I literally can't uninstall it without switching to a different OS. :/
That's the one downside of using Bazzite, but Fagus Launcher might be chosen over Lutris (leading to it being removed) if it does well in the testing branch. So, I'd wait and see because you won't be forced to use Lutris, but, it will sit there menacingly in your Bazzite installation.
To be honest I don't give a shit if a dev uses AI or not. As long as the code does what it is suppost to. In my personal experience AI, while still not anywhere near to capabilitys of a decent dev, can sometimes find and fix errors that I would have missed.
Every extra person using all these AI tools is only adding to the issue.
No, literally the opposite. They are going to do this until it is not financially viable. The more frugal and conscientious people are with their AI, the longer it is financially viable. If you want to pop the bubble, go set up a bot to hammer their free systems with bogus prompts. Run up their bills until they can't afford to be speculative any more.
Run up their bills until they can’t afford to be speculative any more.
Sadly I don't think you've met venture capitalists... they will use your usage as a KPI for success. They have a runway longer than you can imagine, check the history of Amazon or Uber. They can be unprofitable for years, heck longer than a decade, and they are fine with it because they are claiming (and sadly sometimes right) to be cornering a trillion dollar market.
I work for a major software company. They are bragging about how much is AI code now. It’s not just things like lutris.
There hasn't been anything I haven't been able to run between Heroic and Steam. I didn't like using lutris anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think the simple fact is that some of the people in this thread don't understand is that the people they're asking to vet the code don't know how.
They may mean that the people who can vet code should do so before making a fuss about the AI written portions of it, but I don't know that most of the people in opposition to their comments understand that context.
I haven't coded anything since the 90's. I know HTML and basic CSS and that's it. I wouldn't have known where to start without guides to explain what commands in Linux do and how they work together. Growing up with various versions of Windows and DOS, I'd still consider myself a novice computer user. I absolutely do know how to go into command line and make things happen. But I wouldn't know where to start to make a program. It's not part of my skill set.
Most users are like that. They engage with only parts of a thing. It's why so many people these days are computer illiterate due to the rise of smartphone usage and apps for everything.
It'd be like me asking a frequent flyer to inspect a plane engine for damage or figure out why the landing gear doesn't retract. A lot of people wouldn't know where to start.
I fully agree that other coders on the internet who frequent places like GitHub and make it a point to vet the code of other devs who provide their code for free probably should vet the code before they make assumptions about its quality. And I fully agree that deliberately stirring shit without actually contributing anything meaningful to the community or the project is really just messed up behavior.
But the way I see it there's two different groups and they have very different views of this situation.
The people who can't code are consumers. Their contribution is to use the software if they want, and if it works for them to spread by word of mouth what they like about it. Maybe to donate if they can and the dev accepts donations.
If those people choose to boycott, it'll be on the basis of their moral feelings about the use of AI or at the recommendation of the second group due to quality.
The second group are the peer reviewers so to speak and they can and should both vet the code and sound the alarm if there's something wrong.
I suppose there's a third subset of people in the case of FOSS work who can and often do help with projects and I wonder if that is better or worse for the reasons listed in the thread like poorly human written code and simple mistakes.
Humans certainly aren't infallible. But at least they can tell you how they got the output they got or the reason why they did x. You can have a rational conversation with a human being and for the most part they aren't going to make something up unless they have an ulterior motive.
Perhaps breaking things down into tiny chunks makes AI better or it's outputs more usable. Maybe there's a 'sweet spot".
But I think people also get worried that what happens a lot is people who use AI often start to offload their own thinking onto it and that's dangerous for many reasons.
This person also admits to having depression. Depression can affect how you respond to information, how well you actually understand the information in front of you. It can make you forget things you know, or make things that much harder to recall.
I know that from experience. So in this case does the AI have more potential to help or do harm?
There's a lot to this. I have not personally used Lutris, but before this happened I wouldn't have thought twice about saying that I've heard good things about it if someone asked me for a Heroic launcher style software for Linux.
But just like the Ladybird fork of Firefox I don't know that I feel comfortable suggesting it if this is the state of things. For the same reason I don't currently feel comfortable recommending Windows 11 or Chrome.
There are so many sensitive things that OS's, and web browsers handle that people take for granted. If nobody was sounding the alarm about those, I feel like nothing would get better. By contrast, Lutris isn't swimming in a big pond of sensitive information but it is running on people's hardware and they should have both the right to be informed and the right to choose.