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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 96 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

Speaking of disservice to kids in school, I recently learned about the "Three-Cuing" system and how it is basically making kids less literate by having them simply guess the meaning of things they don't understand instead of teaching how to read context, subtext, and use critical thinking skills or basic phonics.. It kinda pissed me off. Especislly since I had already been noticing a trend of young people online putting words into others' mouths or defining words wildly differently than the norm and misunderstanding the entire thing they just read.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 43 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I heard about this too, and it's so insane.

I saw an article recently about Mississippi (and/or Alabama?) 4th graders beating out California and New York on reading, and many were crediting that the state mandated phonics over this "take a guess" nonsense.

[–] tenacious_mucus@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Am I reading this correctly? MS (and/or AL) having a better reading education system than CA & NY with this?? Wow.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 42 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes! MS went from 49th to 9th in like 10 years. Most people are crediting it to phonics and their willingness to hold students back if they don't learn the material.

[–] FaygoRedPop@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Something about holding students back seems like it might artificially inflate numbers. Like, if they administer a test in 4th grade while keeping the kids who are struggling in 3rd grade, well only the kids who made it to 4th grade are taking the test.

I'm likely wrong.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

I'm likely wrong.

I dont think you are. Having higher requirements for 4th grade definitely bumps the results up, question is by how much? Not that many students are held back, no idea how much they would contribute to the statistic

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[–] Makeshift@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

... Suddenly I think I understand why a some things with very specific meanings are getting redefined by younger folks who call you names if you don't accept their new definition.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

“Three-Cuing” system

Huh. Apparently Georgia banned it last year, with a bipartisan bill that my (D) state senator co-sponsored. A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one!

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Your logic is very aesthetic.

[–] FaygoRedPop@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you even conundrum what he's saying?

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[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 71 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Can I have 50% of my salary for doing 0% of my work?

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 61 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

False. They get much more than 50%.

[–] GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And they work hard, it's not easy thinking of bigger numbers every month /s

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[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

After following a friend who joined XHS after the initial tiktok ban a year or so ago, I started to notice this trend of Chinese people calling American education "happy education" and I bristled a bit because I didn't find it all that happy. But as I see more and more people point out things like this, how the No Child Left Behind policy was implemented, how resources are diverted away from actually educating children... I kinda get it.

To be fair, I think the Chinese also have a biased lens here since their school days are like twelve hours long, I'm sure 7 AM to 3 PM seems more like daycare in comparison. But I think there's some truth in the mockery.

This doesn't apply to doctoral programs which really just seem like abuse and trauma factories. I don't know a single happy, well adjusted doctor.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

China kills themselves for schooling and does as well as Americans in business and science so it's hard to see one being better than the other.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

We should just keep trying systems that push everything to the absolute extremes. It’s worked out for every other fallen civilization. Why should we be any different?

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is by design. MAGA wants kids to be stupid, only stupid people vote MAGA.

"I love the poorly educated" DJT

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

COVID fucked up my kids education so badly they are still trying to catch up. They were in 3rd and 4th grade in 2020, so they lost those prime reading comprehension lessons. But at the same time the schools failed to catch the students up and now they are struggling and instead of helping them they just push them along and pass the buck to the next grade.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If your kids are fucked up so badly that they can't handle the next grade then they shouldn't be in the next grade. Who cares if they graduate high school at 18, 19, or 20? None of that matters anymore. But you got to be right for your own kids and hold them back if they need to be held back. If you think the school is doing the wrong thing then you got to step in. Don't just let it happen and complain on the internet.

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It is infuriating seeing Parents complain that schools are simultaneously doing too much, and too little for children. Be a Parent, help your kids succeed and stop blaming everyone else for not doing your job for you.

It reminds me of another thread on here from weeks ago where someone made a meme about ignoring their kids when they talk about their interests. What the heck? Why did you have kids just to ignore them?

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Be a Parent, help your kids succeed and stop blaming everyone else for not doing your job for you.

When people stop understanding child care and education is everyone's job societies collapse

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I'm really sorry to hear that. I think a lot of parents are in the same boat, and we're going to see the effects of it for years.

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[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

currently have a stack of students' academic records on my desk, the state of grading in the U.S. is just insane. I hate GPA with a burning passion. Very talented kids burn themselves out over a number that might as well be set arbitrarily, because schools do some very fucky math to inflate their numbers, and they all seem to do the math differently. Why do they do this math? Well, it's because they're allergic to giving out grades lower than a C, so their entire scale would cease to function if they didn't heavily weight different classes over others. It's like a tower of self-caused problems.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It really should be more standardized, or else schools are just going to find reasons to cook their books.

Remember last year when San Francisco schools were going to adjust their grading scales so much that they could pass students with a D if they scored as low as a 21? Pure insanity. (They fortunately received a lot of backlash and reverted the change)

https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-public-schools-equity-homework-2078003

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[–] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think the whole idea of grading kids like they're show dogs is pretty gross in the first place. "Welcome to the world, kiddo, the first thing you need to learn is that we're here to judge you, and if you don't bark on command you will be deemed to be a failure."

Fuck that shit.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean, it's sort of preparing them for the real world.

Once they finish school it's not like people won't immediately start judging them and labelling them as failures if they can't compete / keep up.

If you don't change society before changing the school system you aren't really doing the kids any favours by sheltering them.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago

School is the real world. It's just their world, not yours. It's where they spend a huge fraction of their day and year. School needs to be a livable place regardless of what comes after. "Preparation" if necessary at all, can come at the end or be taught explicitly instead of implicitly.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Actual conversation I had with an admin after I graded ab exam with 70/100 after a student made 2 big and 2 small mistakes on an exam

You have to grade her exam 100

But she made a bunch of mistakes

She wants the grading 100 or she'll leave

But then what is the point of grading?

The grading doesn't matter, of they pay, they get each grade 100/100

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I sympathize with this.

As a kid, I'd do the homework, put it in my backpack (thanks to my Mom), yet I'd completely forget to turn it in, despite the whole class getting up to do it, and get a 0%. Turning it in later for ~50% (thanks to sympathetic and confused teachers) saved my butt.

...And yes, I'm definitely neurodivergent.

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[–] glibg10b@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So if you didn't study and you're confident you'll get less than 50%, it's better to not show up at all than to attempt the test?

[–] chaotic_ugly@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Problem is that the school-to-prison pipeline is a very real thing and kids that are held back or don't finish school are far more likely to end up in prison than those that finish. The way school systems work in most of the US, the differences in outcomes for those with and without a high school diploma are stark and depressing. Finishing is as important as the education itself.

Read: End of Policing - Alex S. Vitale

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It seems like there's almost certainly a confounding variable here: the kids who are likely to engage in criminality are also the ones most likely to do poorly in school, skip classes, and be held back.

It's more correlation than causal - for the same reason that we couldn't just give every student straight A's and expect them to have similar outcomes as students who would have otherwise earned straight A's.

Working backwards like that is like trying to help someone lose weight by tweaking their scale to always show a healthy BMI.

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[–] Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 weeks ago

Now ask, what a student should get, who did their assignment but only got 30%!

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Personally, I think a UBI-based society can do education better. Everyone should receive a UBI income by default, but working a job or being educated will replace the UBI with a larger amount of money. Grades for learning boosts income based on how good they are. An S-Grade student gets twice of what UBI brings in. 'Real' jobs start at twice the value of the S-grade student.

This means that students can go to college and get paid for it. While the prospect of the workplace can be alluring in a fiscal sense, a college student can stay in college for as long as they need to git good, to be fulfilled, or simply to pass time while waiting for a decent job opening. They aren't held hostage by debts.

Kids also get paid for their grades. This encourages them to learn, because there are material rewards for doing so.

IMO, fiscal responsibility is a skill that is learned, and in America, we don't teach kids how to handle money. Instead, they get the bulk of their fiscal learning when it is almost time to be kicked out of the nest. Which is dumb.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Ok but if the government is spending all that money on its own citizens then how are they going to fund their hobby of blowing up brown people on the other side of the planet?

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[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago

I long for a society where education, housing, medical care and food are structured for the people instead of the profit. Where education helps sort people into the work they're suited for. Where housing is something no one does without. Where medical care is fully free. Where food is food instead of fillers, nutrition instead of chemical design, and feeds people over profit.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The purpose of a class is to instill a specific set of knowledge and skills.

The purpose of an assignment is to provide the student with sufficient pressure to study the expected knowledge, and practice the expected skills. The assignment is the pressure to learn; it is not evidence of learning.

To the student who has achieved mastery of that knowledge and skillset prior to completing the class, an assignment has no valid purpose. For such a student, the assignment is busywork, and serves only to distract the student from further study.

If your grading style does not allow for a student to demonstrate mastery and refuse busywork assignments, your grading is a problem.

A student with test scores equal or better than the class average does not deserve to fail your class for having refused assignments.

A student who ritualistically completes all of their homework assignments with excellent marks, but is entirely unable to pass a test on the subject matter, is a student who has failed your class.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I had a math teacher that would assign 100+ long division problems every night and then give you a 0 if you skipped more than 3 of them.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's horrible. Especially since I guarantee you and everyone else in that class had it down after the first 50 problems.

It astounds me how many teachers honestly think that teaching/learning is about drills, rote memorization, and slavishly grinding away to get results. While I have no doubt that some people absolutely need to do this in order to get things to stick, I think it under-estimates the intelligence of most kids in the classroom. I would argue it's not exactly learning and more like programming.

For instance, I can recall "the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell" like some kind of Manchurian Candidate sleeper-agent. But that tells me nothing about how that organelle metabolizes ATP to fuel other activities, what happens when it breaks down, and so on. Memorization and drills are great for algorithms, formulas, and basic foundational things. But the real learning happens in other ways.

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I grew up in an era when they didn't pass kids to get rid of them. This is why I had a friend in the 8th grade who had two kids.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No, sorry, actually teachers have always done that occasionally. It's just that now administrators are forcing it to be done in bulk.

The other thing is grade inflation. A D is passing, right? But many bosses pressure you to give your worst students Bs. And that has definitely gotten worse, too.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

They made Federal funding for education based on the yearly standardized test scores, and graduation rates. One of those is much easier to fudge than the other.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Grades have always been meaningless.

People who believe in meritocracy and all that bullshit are just too privileged to notice.

edit: I didn't even realize this was "white people twitter" but makes sense 100%.

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[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago

Because no child left behind worked out so well... Here we are having the same idiotic argument 25 years later.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 7 points 2 weeks ago

When I was a kid they just forced you through eventually because no about of education could offset the damage done be breathing in leaded gasoline exhaust.

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