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We attacked Iran with no clear plan for regime change, Israeli security sources say (www.theguardian.com)

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Israel did not have a realistic plan for regime change when it attacked Iran, multiple Israeli security sources have said, with expectations that airstrikes could lead to a popular uprising having been driven by “wishful thinking” rather than hard intelligence.

Iran has survived nearly two weeks of bombing raids and the assassination of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and Trump is publicly contemplating ending the increasingly costly war.

If Iran’s new leadership keeps its grip on power, the long-term measure of the success of the conflict may hang on the fate of 440kg of enriched uranium which was buried under a mountain by US strikes last June, former and serving Israeli defence and intelligence sources said. Enough for more than 10 nuclear warheads, Iran could use it to hasten the construction of a weapon if the material remains in the country.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

An air campaign alone, removing the current leadership with airstrikes and blocking Iranian sea-trade will not win the war. The Russians and Chinese are fucking delighted, because they can evaluate and examine the US weapon systems capabilities. Regime change, it ain't gonna happen until Israel and US military forces can physically occupy Iran.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Death spasms of a dying empire

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course. Yahoo is a fucking dictator.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

And Trump and the Republicans are the useful idiots.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah I remember how immediately after that strike hit that facility the reptiles in the media started hissing that "ohhh thisss is not over! ssssssss but the uranium issssss technically sssstill in Iran so war musssst go on! sssssss! haha humans are ssssso sssstupid"

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Israel/US plan was to kill the Ayatollah and Iran state would collapse without a supreme leader.

Iran's plan to martyr the Ayatollah and fight asymmetrically with decentralized leadership.

Iran's plan is better than the Israel/US plan.

Maybe they should have learned from Lt Gen Van Riper instead of giving each other celebratory blowjobs of winning a rigged war game.

https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-trending/that-time-a-marine-general-led-a-fictional-iran-against-the-us-military-and-won/

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

The leaders of Israel and the US both operate under the principles of personal rule, where the individual personal relation to the person in charge is what defines the political structure.

Iran, as many modern states (including, for the most part, the US) seems to mostly operate as an institutionalist government, where it's the institutional role a given person takes that defines their relation to other roles within that system, independently of the persons occupying them (for better or for worse).
If you kill the leader, another person will assume that role, and whoever deferred to the previous leader will (usually) defer to the new leader as well.

Of course there is always a personal element to it and these options aren't a strict binary (just like , but part of the reason even Trump's most insane orders are obeyed is because the people obeying them obey the president rather than just a given person. That obedience is, in this case, both critical to the system functioning at all and a major issue if the president is a maniac.

The personal factor here comes in when the other offices supposed to check the president refuse to for personal reasons, which is why Trump can hold a de facto personalist regime, but it's also why he attempts to undermine all institutional elements to cement that personalist character.

[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

An expensive gamble, you lost. Now it's time to pay your dues. Don't do what you fucks always do and manufacture consent.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Iran might have been in the signal chats. I’m gonna take them at their word.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And throwing phosphorus is changing the regime?

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago

Are there mass firebombing going on? I think not.

[–] Freebeeadvice@lemmy.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Are you saying the Iranian people are stupid and cannot think for themselves ? Israel and others do not want a regime to build nukes and then blast Israel. Sees pretty clear.

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