We have more power than we realize : solarpunk

[–] tae_glas@slrpnk.net 111 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

we have more power than they want you to realise, too 🙌

[–] diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Hopefully we get to use it someday!

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 36 points 3 weeks ago

Now. Use it now. That’s what the whole post is saying.

[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Improve your local community

[–] gumdrop@lemmy.world 62 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Can someone explain what this means or what they're doing? All I know is that habeas corpus has something to do with you actually showing up in court, physically. It means something like "have the body," in Latin (?)

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 125 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

They are challenging the legality of the imprisonment of people by ICE. When it is granted, ICE now needs to bring the prisoner before the court, which might help undisappear people, in conjunction with them having to prove they are legally justified to detain them.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think they're litterally getting people released because ICE knows they can't justify it in court so they release them instead when there's any pushback

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 11 points 3 weeks ago

So, simply put (if I get it right), if you have a friend willing to pay the lowest lawyer wage to get you out, you can get out.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 weeks ago

It also demonstrates that the defendant is alive, in good health, and is being treated humanely.

When the government has lots of excuses for why they can't be bothered to produce the actual human being they are trying to destroy, that's a HUGE red flag.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

my dishpit brother who used to do immigration law (his labor trafficking cases were his most rewarding cases of his life. until he stopped and thought about how it compared to that time he "volunteered" for his cult and realized he had been labor trafficked and more details would be personally identifying and and my brother deserves privacy even if he is a dipshit and a cultist, he was still a victim. like, you never know who it happens to and when they'll realize it happened. i wish i could send this to him, but unfortunately, both he and his wife are dipshits and estranged themselves. (they know what they did)

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

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[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Would you care to provide a little more context for us all? I don't know why but I'm interested.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I would love to but I lack consent to share any more of his story and even though he's a dipshit he's still my brother

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Habased Corpus

(Shitty attempt at a Kelly self-insert)

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Self Efficacy is a powerful concept that teachers should be trained to instill in kids. It was part of my training as a teacher, but nobody seemed to understand how crucial a lesson it was besides me.

It's the first lesson I teach any child I am able to that crosses my path.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I’m not a fan of optimism. Optimism and pessimism are both a form of vulgar fatalism — the belief that things are going to get better or worse irrespective of what we do. If I believed that, I wouldn’t get out of bed.

But I believe very much in hope. And hope is the belief that if you materially improve your circumstances, you will gain a new vantage point from which you will see things that you couldn’t see before.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9LgLg0zlbJQ&t=734

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

I keep seeing Cory Doctorow everywhere on my feed nowadays. It's so frequent that it might even be annoying — if not for the fact that he's consistently spitting bars.

It's a wonder what you can do when your main job helps you to refine your word craft, and also you've been campaigning on tech and internet issues for literal decades, giving countless chances to refine your rhetoric.

He's a valuable voice in the current climate, and I'm glad that "enshittification" catching on got him a much larger political platform than he had before.

[–] mossmossmoss@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

My partner is a public defender, and for people splitting hairs in the comments: The justice system is unjust and inscrutable and you’re not gonna crack the case here. Each case has countless “gotchas” and goes back and forth nigh endlessly.

What matters most is being there for people during some of the hardest times of their lives, when they’re being dehumanized and erased by a system that wants to ignore the rights it promises them, and that’s the message of OP here and OP in screenshot.

As others here said, hope gives us the strength to believe we can help ourselves and others, and we need that right now.

[+] cecilkorik@piefed.ca -16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The problem is, even "10 people ordered released" is explicitly not the same thing as "10 people released" when the government just ignores the courts, which is what they're doing. It's not that hard to get the courts to agree that this is illegal, because it is. It's much harder to get ICE to comply with the laws.

It's great that he's trying, but are any of these people actually released now? That's the critical question. If they're not actually being released, then all these things he's doing and encouraging others to do is performative. And that's the problem, people think they're "helping" when in reality, it has gone beyond that. People need to understand how deep the corruption actually is and how much damage has already been done. The systems of democracy and justice we used to rely on are no longer reliable, and it's counterproductive to still believe they are in the face of the evidence that reality is providing.

[–] Curiousfur@lemmy.world 65 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When all's said and done, I'd rather have proof that ICE ignored 1000 orders than only ignored 10 and nobody challenged the other 990. It's not one or the other, we can still use the court systems to create a trail of accountability while we also work to dismantle the systems being put in place to ignore the courts. As flawed and incomplete as the Nuremberg trials were, they only made it as far as they did because so much was documented by people who thought they'd never be held accountable for their actions. Every ignored court order is the chance to punish someone when they are no longer in power.

And besides, even if they only obey one out of every ten, that's still worth the effort when the alternative is just not trying because people don't think it'll work.

[+] cecilkorik@piefed.ca -6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

That's totally sensible, my issue is just with framing this as "10 people released". If it actually is, great, fantastic. But if it's not, it's creating a false sense of progress that causes people to underestimate the problem and feel like it's resolved when it's really, really not.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Do you have evidence for either that these 10 orders were ignored or that there was some false sense of progress that coddled anyone to not do anything because of these 10 orders?

Resistance is not a monolith, it is not all or nothing. It is these shitty 10 orders AND all the other work that people are doing. There is nothing too small and too petty when it comes to resisting fascism. Every little thing raises the cost for the fascists, raises the friction. Remember that 1944 manual on Simple Sabotage? Raise the friction in every way possible. That's the point.

So, sure say your reminder that "that's not enough" but then move on and go do something petty to raise the friction the fascists face.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly, every court order you give is one they have to ignore, it's one that further delegitimizes the regime. The goal is for the regime to struggle to enact its goals. It desires its people to be high energy, fully committed, and to be seen as essentially legitimate in order to make that happen. If they can't be respected they want to be feared. Hero or villain they're still a major character who gets their way. Deny them that.

You can tell what works by who they attempt to quickly and quietly stop. Lawyers can file lawsuits. Everyone can protest. People can organize their workplace and neighborhood. But also you can just drive 5 under whenever ice is active in an area. You can get their order wrong at a restaurant. Get in the habit of looking for plausibly deniable ways to deny them what they want.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree with this. I just don't want to forget that the people these petitions were filed for are probably still locked up and there's no guarantee they're going to get anything resembling justice yet.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's in the name, right? Resistance doesn't win. Even if they are not ignored, these court orders will not end the reign of ICE terror. And it is important to remember that there are people for which the system will deny even such an ignorable court order. They are no less worthy of solidarity. So yes, this is not winning. But that's not the point yet.

Resistance doesn't win but it makes winning possible. It slows down, increases the cost, frustrates, distracts, buys time, exposes systemic weaknesses, trains the capacity of allies, and makes people lose fear. It's not sufficient, but it's necessary.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

This is you here criticizing marathon runners for only rounding the first corner...

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But if it’s not, it’s creating a false sense of progress that causes people to underestimate the problem and feel like it’s resolved when it’s really, really not

No, its trying to tell you that you could make a difference if you tried instead of just assuming its going to fail and doing nothing. Like, in the actual words in the meme.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like maybe they just have a sort of agnostic approach to these 10 people's actual freedom, which I understand having been on the wrong side of a booking cell door, even local PD will drag their feet all night and release you at 2am for a laugh. And you're trying to say that regardless of whether or not they are outside of a jail, this person has made an effort that they thought would be difficult and found to be otherwise, and is trying to share his apparent success in an attempt to encourage others to act as well. And I agree that the message is perhaps more important than the reality right now, but I also understand jaded "nothing ever happens" mentality online.

I'm stoned and it's midnight, thanks for reading.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I'm not saying the pigs won't fuck with you because they can, but at least showing resistance and trying to get people their freedom back is better than rolling over and pre-complying/doing nothing like the other person's attitude encouraged.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This comment is also speculation is it not? We have evidence that the court ordered people to be released. We don't have evidence that the order was ignored. Even in the cases where ICE/DHS have taken time to release people they drag their feet, maybe submit an appeal, but they have not outright ignored the order.

Huge asterisk of course because they did ignore orders when sending people out of country. But in terms of holding them domestically the largest delay I've heard was a week I believe where they were trying to get out of the court order through appeals.

Feel free to post evidence though, keeping up with the crimes of this administration is a full time job

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca -4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Are you seriously arguing that we're supposed to give ICE and this administration the benefit of the doubt? Why on Earth would you imagine the onus is on me to provide evidence? My comment is OBVIOUSLY speculation, I'm not pretending I'm involved, and that's why I have zero interest in even attempting to provide or find any specific evidence, I sincerely doubt there is any. I'm saying I don't trust ICE to follow through. I think that given they are the untrustworthy actor in this whole situation, maybe you should focus your disapproval on them instead of me.

Your (carefully hedged) claim that orders were not ignored and the largest delay is a week is absolutely offensively absurd on its face and makes me extremely dubious that you're even arguing in good faith, and that's why this will be my last reply to you, but in parting I will at least offer this small token of evidence to help other readers understand how full of shit you are.

The chief federal judge in Minnesota compiled a list of almost 100 different orders that had been violated in January alone. In one month. And he also correctly makes the point that it's substantially understated. Fuck right off with your ICE apologism.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Are you seriously arguing that we're supposed to give ICE and this administration the benefit of the doubt?

Nope not what I said. I just wanted examples.

Why on Earth would you imagine the onus is on me to provide evidence? My comment is OBVIOUSLY speculation

You summed up why I would want evidence since it is baseless speculation. Let's get some facts here.

I have zero interest in even attempting to provide or find any specific evidence,

Oh :/

Your (carefully hedged) claim that orders were not ignored and the largest delay is a week is absolutely offensively absurd on its face and makes me extremely dubious that you're even arguing in good faith, and that's why this will be my last reply to you, but in parting I will at least offer this small token of evidence to help other readers understand how full of shit you are.

Gotcha, you were not interested in any kinda of a conversation, cool.

Your link is paywalled BTW, and doesn't give me any info outside the title. So I can't gauge what or how orders were broken. All I can say is I'm not surprised they did and hope one day all involved are held accountable for their crimes.

Fuck right off with your ICE apologism.

You really should take a deep breath and take a pause to think. I want the facts, I don't want reactionary speculation. We have enough real documented crimes as is, and you're probably right there are plenty more that are hidden. I just don't see the need to speculate on what they might be doing when there is plenty enough about what we know they are doing. There's enough known evidence to lock up half the administration if not the whole damn thing.

I'm sure more will be exposed one day, but today I don't see the point of responding to good news with doomeristic speculation

But as you said you won't be replying. I look forward to not hearing from you

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago

We can assume that they were released, or he wouldn't be so excited about his success. If he was getting the orders, but they weren't letting them out anyway, he'd be writing a different kind of post.

Your assumption, that he's getting the order for release, then walking away celebrating, as his client continues to rot in prison, doesn't sound plausible.

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