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The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Last week 404 Media reported on some DOGE deposition videos.

The videos were since removed via court order, but are available on Internet Archive.

For anyone unfamiliar: this slots under TechTakes because DOGE is basically Elon Musk's army of naive fascist silicon valley tech-bros rampaging about the federal government with Chat-GPT, SQL, and unsecured thumb-drives.

This article is behind a paywall, but links to the following video snippets from the depositions:

https://www.instagram.com/reels/DVtOiqJjcu4/ https://www.instagram.com/reels/DVyhJT9jf4f/

For example here Justin Fox talks about deleting federal grants that he considered in-scope for an anti DEI executive order: https://www.instagram.com/reels/DVtOiqJjcu4/

Q: "Why is a documentary about Holocaust survivors DEI"

A: "It's the gender based story 🤷 that's inherently discriminatory to focus on this specific group 🙄."

Q: "It's inherently discriminatory to focus on what specific group?"

A: "The gender based. So, females 🤷 during the Holocaust."

He goes on to clarify that it's DEI because it focuses on Jewish women. Oh that's OK then!

There is a lot of video to work through but I know there is more ~~comedy gold~~ rage inducing punchable nazi snippets within.

[–] aninjury2all@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)
[–] sansruse@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

to what extent does he actually believe this? is that even a meaningful question? i think this narrative is way too esoteric and absurd to really convince anyone, so it doesn't even appear valuable if his goal is to flood the zone with post-truth nonsense.

I mean it's not too far off from the standard color revolution conspiracy theories where nefarious American intelligence agents and NGOs are working towards regime change and civil strife across the world in order to advance their sinister ideology. But where the "classical" color revolution conspiracy serves to undermine anticommunist movements in Eastern Europe surrounding the fall of the Soviet Union by positioning them as patsies or victims of the CIA, this newer variant that Moldbug is working with is trying to discredit American domestic anti-imperial/anticolonial/antifascist sentiments by positioning them as puppeteers of oppressive foreign regimes. Kind of an uno reverse card being played on the original story, but one that fits with how the American right conceptualizes itself and its domestic opposition.

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[–] istewart@awful.systems 6 points 3 weeks ago

Hmm, he's still sticking to tweet-threads on Twitter. We'll know he's fully cracking when he resorts to Ackman-style unreadable text blocks on there.

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[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Does anyone know a summary of the shakeup at CFAR in 2016? In January AnnaSalomon promised LessWrong that "CFAR's mission is to improve the sanity/thinking skill of those who are most likely to actually usefully impact the world." In December she announced a pivot to preventing the Reign of Steel. Julia Galef left that year and has not been very visible since. Her husband Luke Muehlhauser is OpenPhil's Managing Director for AI Governance & Policy so still Roko-curious.

LessWrongers sometimes say that Michael Vassar influenced the curriculum of CFAR's workshops even though he was no longer employed by a Rationalist charity. Brent Dill was living in Berkeley participating in rationalist events at that time.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The four-day live-in rationality workshops at CFAR remind me of the live-in blog fests and conferences at Lighthaven. Someone in the comments to the January 2016 posts asks why pay $4,000 for a workshop in the SF Bay Area when you can learn similar content at a college where you live or from free online courses (the commenter later recanted this blatant heresy). Its hard to argue that in-person events in the SF Bay Area are an efficient use of funds, but they let people who already live there keep themselves busy.

Hello from the Center for Applied Rationality! ... We have a new experimental mini-workshop coming up soon (June 2025) and hopefully more workshop content to follow after! ... Pricing is $750 for the CFAR event, plus another $450 to sign up for Arbor (at Lighthaven in Berkeley). This is notably cheaper than the $3900 we've historically charged for most mainline CFAR workshops, since it's a more experimental program -- future workshops will likely be more expensive than this test. https://less-wrong.livejournal.com/4396115.html

This post claims that they could not find anyone doing anything similar https://acritch.com/cfar-scaling/ I know a US military veteran who had a critical thinking course which he pulled out whenever he had a training day to occupy, so maybe they needed to look outside their bubble?

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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago

And locally, UAW RPSP just announced a tentative agreement, apparently they got a technology policy through without calling out AI explicitly. Might be too little too late tbh.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Uxn_Tq-CMVyPstXD9GnCzuiRp660QdAw/view

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 3 weeks ago

found a paper that may be of interest and review interest to some here

linked via this toot that hit my feed

[–] lurker@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 7 points 2 weeks ago

they're both worse

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Back in 2019, Ben Pace of Lightcone said that CFAR and Lightcone were one legal entity, but two boards with no overlap. Did CFAR + Lightcone really spend $22 million on real estate in Berkeley without spending a few grand to create a separate nonprofit and separate the finances? In 2024, CFAR still had the real estate and the mortgage on its books. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/eR7Su77N2nK3e5YRZ/the-lesswrong-team-is-now-lightcone-infrastructure-come-work-3

I have never opened a US business bank account, but I would think it would be hard to keep the bank accounts separate if one organization has no independent legal existence, and transactions in the millions or tens of millions tempt the most righteous person to stick his fingers in the till.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's theoretically possible to keep them separate, but I would assume in this case that it's evidence that regardless of intentions CFAR and lightcone are sufficiently closely linked to be basically the same organization. I mean, if there's not a separate legal entity then I would assume anything involving money is going to require the same person or persons to sign off on the transaction, regardless of what the board looks like.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 5 points 3 weeks ago

Forming a single legal entity would have made it hard to protect the other projects if the CFAR side had lost a lawsuit over abuse of a minor at a CFAR event, or Lightcone had lost a judgment over taking money from FTX and had to sell the Rose Garden property, I know these people don't do "fear of frequent consequences of ordinary human weaknesses" but that is a big risk.

I also wonder who served as treasurer and bookkeeper for each project. If one person served both projects, he or she could have caused all kinds of trouble, even if there were separate bank accounts.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago

Man, I wish I had enough money to fuck around with nonprofit shenanigans

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Anybody else having problems with archive.is and its variants? I keep getting into an infinite captcha loop. I already tried making it an dns over https exception in firefox, which worked once.

E: tried a different browser, and same problem. Same on phone, it does work going from wifi to mobile however.

E2: I seem to have fixed it, by oddly rebooting my router. Which makes no sense to me.

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Depending on your DNS provider, you may not be able to use archive.today without infinite captchas. I believe Cloudflare (1.1.1.1) and NextDNS are affected this way. Google (8.8.8.8) apparently is not.

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