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Daylight Saving Time just needs to be completely eradicated, it makes no sense in the modern day. The problem is that you have this disagreement over "which" time should be the default, either standard time or daylight time (which Canada/the US spend more of the year in than not).
IMO it should just be standard time, emphasis on the word "standard". If you want more daylight hours in the evening for events and such, just start things an hour earlier.
It’s also dependent on where you live. Someone living on the easternmost part of a time zone is going to tend to want DST over standard as compared to someone living on the westernmost part. I live in the easternmost part of the Eastern US time zone and I’d pick DST if I had the choice.
East Coast, standard time please.
4:30 sunrise in June just feels wrong to me.
Tbf, 5:00 sunset on standard time is not ideal for me either. But a lot more acceptable than having to suddenly adjust sleep because capitalists want to make more money.
Fun fact: in the mid '70s the US attempted to go to full year daylight savings time. It was so hated by everyone that we switched back to switching our clocks after very few years
Go into detail about what the problems were and why everyone hated it.
People with school aged children were upset that their children were leaving for school in the dark.
People had more accidents in the morning (but accidents in the afternoon and evening hours decreased, especially pedestrian fatalities.
They didn't even try it out for a prolonged period of time and a lot of that had to do with the Watergate scandal and the Nixon presidency.
Also the health benefits of switching to Standard time and doing away with DST would work with permanent DST too. The major health problems that are caused by the current model have to do with altering the bodies internal clock, and you get the benefits of not having to change regardless of whether we choose permant Standard time or permanent DST.
For reference purposes, car accidents spike significantly after DST ends, not just when it starts.
I think the main issue with their attempt in the 70's is that they didn't try to change the hours of school and work to make things more workable. We didn't do that because it would have forced major industries to shift things and that seemed like too much work.
This would make things safer in general and fix sleep deprevation and other sleep related maladies in the vast majority of people who aren't morning people.
And having more natural light during the waking hours decreases the amount of electricity used, can decrease heating and cooling bills, etc.
People complain about the idea (either moving permanent to standard time or morning permanently to DST) literally based on vibes. Nobody seems to give it a chance with actual changes to make it work for any length of time.
I'm also going to point out that a lot of the problem full stop is that Americans just do not have significant amounts of free time.
I wasn't actually alive at the time, thanks for those details! I didn't know why they hated it, just that they must have to have switched back so fast.
Because a single news story about a single child being hit by a car on the walk to school was blown out of proportion and played on everyone's fears. Kids don't walk to school anymore.
Permanent DST would be so stupid.
What is "noon" or "solar noon" under DST? Solar noon is supposed to be the time when the sun is at its peak. AM and PM come from ante meridiem and post meridiem, which are basically "before the sun's peak" and "after the sun's peak". But, under DST the peak is at approx 1pm. So, will saying "I'll meet you at noon" still mean 12pm? Probably, but then "solar noon" will be 1pm but "noon" will be 12am?
If the whole reason behind considering permanent DST that they think the 9-5 schedule of office life is impossible to change? This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.
This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.
That's why we have been continuing to change clocks twice a year, because apparently that's easier than changing the time children go to school.
If you're only argument is "the sun should be directly up at noon" then we are going to need a lot more time zones.
I don't care which way they go. Hell, split the difference and move us to a 30 minute offset if you can't make up your minds. Just stop changing the bloody clocks twice a year. Please!
No! Split the difference the other way! Make us jump two hours! Show us all how detrimental daylight savings is! Burn motherfucking greenwich to the ground! Or at least let me get some sleep!
This is the way.
Step one: agree that fucking with the clocks is really stupid and codify it into law
Step two: start arguing about which time zone is the “right one”
If you try to do both at the same time, step two prevents both
Oh my state passed a law abolishing it but the federal government stopped it. You want to know why? You want to know the stupid reason why the federal government won't abolish daylight savings? Because polling indicates that half of the people want it gone forever and everybody else wants it there forever.
They literally can't decide whether to always have the clock one way or the other, so we get to split the difference. I don't fucking care. Just pick one and stick with it. Everybody has electric lights anyway, it's the 21st century, we need to move on from this 1700s bullshit.
Counterpoint: the people who want it there forever should just be told that's what we're doing, they'll be back to licking windows before they realize the difference.
I honestly don't care if we choose permanent standard time or DST. Either one would be better than having to switch twice a year. I'll even propose a compromise: we can try one for a year, try the other for the next year, and see which one works better.
Not doing either because we can't agree on which one should be permanent seems like the worst option.
Great, with scientific evidence backing this we are fucked for ever getting this changed. What we really need is a rising passively racist influencer to get behind the idea to get any support in 2026.
don't let trump see this. he will add two extra DST switches per year and rename it
Well they don't call it Donald Savings Trump for nothing. What better way to honor the god emperor than sacrificing time itself in his name?
(I gagged a bit just typing this, I'm sorry)
Who makes money off of Daylight Savings Time?
I don't know, but I know someone is making a fortune off of it somehow and I want to know who. It's the only explanation
The real question is, how can the rich make money off of changing this? As soon as someone figures that out, I'm sure it will change.
God yes. I don't even care which side of DST we land on. As long as we stop changing the damn clock.
Daylight Saving Time (not Savings). Most people get this wrong and I'm not sure why.
Who give a shits?
RFK Jr recommends sun lamps during the non-savings hours. Particularly on the arsehole.
We should just turn our clocks back to 2019.
The good old days, when the fire hose would occasionally turn off and we could breathe and participate in folksy traditions like complaining about the clocks.
I love daylight savings. I count the minutes until it returns. I think it should be permanent, for health reasons.
As someone who lived in a country with DST and now living in a country without it, it's honestly such a pleasure never having to worry about losing or gaining an hour at an arbitrary time of the year.
sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.
I want us to go in the direction Canada is going with that. It should be the same time in Washington and Oregon that it is in BC
Today has been the absolute worst. Daylight savings shift coinciding with my job becoming absolute trash and my idiotic self doing a Sunday funday yesterday.
We should just turn back the clocks twice a year so we never have to lose an hour of sleep.
It’s pretty obvious the American government doesn’t care about its citizens health. Sick citizens = more shareholder profits for their scam corporations