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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/43965516

It is worth noting that both the hardware and software of Fairphone is heavily dependent on a Chinese company T2Mobile.

For those looking to avoid both US and Chinese companies, then the Jolla phone is the way to go.

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[–] itistime 36 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Avoiding Chinese companies is a factor for me, BUT if the choice is between a Chinese company that wouldn’t comply with a five-eyes data request vs one that would, then I would definitely prefer my data be stolen by a foreign country that doesn’t see me as a sovereign risk

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Its getting kind of silly to be afraid of China when big tech is American.... There really isnt any logical reason at this point. Just emotional, because people are afraid of China.

The entire west is getting absolutely wrecked by American big tech so its funny to read those articles about how scary China is. I guess we prefer the devil we know, but I dont think China has anything even remotely as capable as American spy agencies and big tech.

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[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 11 points 3 weeks ago

We have come a long way, to be finally more concerned about our government spying on us than about a foreign nation.

[–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Chinese company who has to comply with the CCP is a problem for me, and my work.

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[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They have a "fair labor" agreement with China so that it is as ethically sourced as possible. People can't just get anything somewhere else. They are at least trying.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

They also set up an initiative around the fair extraction of cobalt.

For the specs alone it is an expensive phone, but well worth it to me.
I do somewhat miss the HD haptics from my previous Samsung.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

Slab phone is solved tech already and this is the time where we can vote for more ethical solutions without really losing anything. The newest fairphone is basically just a standard android flagship.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

the Jolla phone is the way to go

Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.

Edit: https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26

[–] artyom@piefed.social 28 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

I mean the downsides are it's Linux. That's not without it's upsides but the downsides are huge.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Would a phone have that many downsides? I would think that a computer would have much more. Maybe the phone companies don't play nice? I 100% don't know what the downsides would be.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 25 points 3 weeks ago (25 children)

From my research, the phone part of the "phone" doesn't work very well. Which is a pretty big caveat.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I have one. It has no issues with calling, video, ect...

It works in the states as well. And all apps too. I guess my only complaint is parts are getting hard to come by for fairphone 4. Which is why i bought the phone, to be repairable.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 16 points 3 weeks ago

We were discussing Jolla, not fairphone

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 11 points 3 weeks ago

Oh wait sorry for some reason the interface didnt load the first comment. I dodnt see the context. Woops!

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Are there any downsides to this? There has to be, right.

SailfishOS userland is proprietary software. AOSP is more open than SailfishOS. The Android compatibility layer of SailfishOS is based on AOSP, so the stack to get the most important 3rd party apps working relies as much on AOSP as any Android ROM.

Upside of SailfishOS: There is a decent chance that the upcoming Linux ARM version of Steam + Proton will run directly on that device.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is exactly what we need: profound economic warfare, and lawfare against the sources exploiting us. We need to organize and support the groups that fight the forces leading to us getting exploited.

Our problems are fundamentally human sourced, and we need to take action to stop being vulnerable to exploitation and coercion.

All other problems CAN be resolved with time and work.

[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Let's hope the growth means the software improves. I've never owned such a buggy phone. I would never be able to recommend anyone I know actually buy one and it's pretty difficult to keep using it myself. I'm really hoping the upcoming Android 16 release fixes a lot of bugs but if past Fairphones are anything to go by I'm not expecting much.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I've been using a FP6 for over a month and I have no idea what you could be referring to

[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Sometimes after using the camera, the taken photos will just disappear.

Often my screen will freeze up and the ohone becomes entirely unresponsive until I turn the screen off and on again.

Sometimes the screen won't even turn on at all and will then suddenly unlock and register every single swipe and tap I made on the off screen registers at once.

Then sometimes when idle the phone will just randomly crash and reboot.

A genuinely awful experience I have to say.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think you should send it in for warranty, if you still have it.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You can install iode on a Fairphone. I was using iode for years without issues. I would be surprised if it had many bugs specific to Fairphone.

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

I've been using a CMF Nothing with /e/OS installed by Murena for a year now and I can say it's been a breeze.

[–] calmluck9349 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

They should partner use grapheneos and sell in USA.

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[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I have had this for 4 months and love it. Previously had Samsung 25 Ultra. Hated it.

Anyone know if the coming Android restrictions will impact support?

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is why new laws are being passed to verify ID on a hardware level. They know the enshittification has progressed to the point that people are starting to break away. They want to put a halt to that by any means necessary.

[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd be curious, it seems obvious the world is coordinating it in some way.

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