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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 199 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Taking "will it run doom" one step too far.

[–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 71 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We need to take it back a step and see if it'll run Linux.

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 59 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Asking someone to compile the kernel with their mind sure is one way to give someone a headache

[–] SanctimoniousApe@piefed.social 16 points 3 weeks ago

I wanna see Linus' reaction to that pull request.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I can imagine a new AI hellscape where LLMs are run on human brain cells in a test tube. So you're never quite sure if you're talking to a mere algorithm ... or an enslaved proto-human who might be conscious and whose entire existence revolves around answering your inane online queries.

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[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

A closer example would be if it could use the console in linux since it's only playing dom not running it, I wonder if wetware would be any better as a coding assistant than ai

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[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 117 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s having more fun than I am.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 86 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe the real hell is the life we've lived along the way.

[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe this experience is just a higher being's analog of Doom and we're just cells in a petri dish running an MMORPG version it. Stupidest simulation theory ever, but hey man, we're sorta doing it so how stupid can it be?

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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 112 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Having worked with human neurons harvested from dead people, there are worse ways to extend your life. At least these ones get to play games instead of getting poked and zapped by me.

[–] toynbee@piefed.social 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Could you poke and zap me?

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 37 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Poke, yes. Zap is too weak to do much in live people but if I break out the old electrolytic brain lesion maker you'll feel it.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You know this isn't even the weirdest flirting I've seen online today. It's a notable thread, but not too bad.

Enjoy the shocks

What can I say, they saw a spark and went for it. May the odds forever be in their favor lol

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

... Am I missing something, or is this not like, the practical, if not lore accurate first step toward actually creating a:

[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Next step, give it spider legs and a gattling gun!

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[–] HailHydra 72 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure if it's the same scientists, but the YouTube channel The Thought Emporium has an ongoing series about growing neurons to play retro games (such as OG DOOM).

The playlist of this series is fittingly called Building the Torment Nexus.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

It looks like their setup, but I don't see any recent videos. Jan 15th was their last one. I think they have a patreon with bonus clips and advance stuff.

Might be from that.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 59 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

Raises uncomfortable questions about consciousness. The only difference between these neurons and your own are the number of them and the structures they form. Of course it doesn't know what it's doing, but... Neither do our own neurons

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Science and Ethics — the age old enmity between "I wanna know" and "I'm not allowed to find out"

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Science and Ethics — the age old enmity between "I wanna know" and ~~"I'm not allowed to find out"~~ "Am I able to find out without doing something monstrously inhumane"

FTFY

I guess my point is that sometimes even if it's illegal you can get away with it if done correctly, with ruling party aligned stated goals....or you have access to a shit tonne of money and powerful friends.

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[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Finally, I knew when I saved this to my phone there would be a perfect moment. (Humanity is too predictable)

Attribution: https://lemmy.world/post/43077529

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 41 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I have no mouth and I must Doom.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly? Sounds preferable to being stuck in the universe of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream..... I'll take a challenging power fantasy with some massively overpowered weapons over millennia of endless physical and psychological torture by an insane AI..... might just be me though...

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

Cortical Labs are the ones who pulled this off. They already have biological computers running on 800,000 lab-grown neurons available for ~$35,000 (just going on what a quick Google search told me) and are planning to open up a cloud computing service with its own API soon.

This makes me feel uneasy. Imagine if reincarnation were a thing and you get brought back into this world, and your purpose is to learn how to play DOOM.

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 23 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Personally my worry really isn't reincarnation, there's no reason to believe that that's true. But if these are fundamentally the same neurons that make up our brains, then how much do you need to put together before they acquire some form of "sentience"? Does a clump of 800,000 human neurons experience pain, sadness, a sense of self? Where is the line between an emotionless biocomputer and torturing a living organism for its entire lifespan?

Despite the fact that I really hate "AI", that question was of course already sort of relevant for the latest AI models, even though we can generally conclude that they're not there yet at all. But real neurons are different, we know what they're capable of. How many do you need before a clump of neurons has rights?

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Large language models are not intelligent. They are predictive text applications with massive dictionaries of circumstantial sentence structures to choose from. Nothing more. They do not feel and do not think for themselves. The only time they do anything is when the API calls them to produce more text with an updated context string.

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We are old gods who punish life for fun.

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[–] saxrussell@slrpnk.net 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok, so maybe 200K brain cells would be sufficient to run for public office, but you can't really call that a complete brain, containing approximately 100 billion cells.

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[–] crazycraw@crazypeople.online 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"hey you, glad you're awake....."

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

So, uh... is it any good at it?

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

we grew a human brain

200'000 ~~brian~~ "brain cells" (so about 1/3 of it neurons) is the equivalent to a really simple microcontroller.

Edit: left the typo for funny

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[–] this@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

Ah I see, so we're adding the matrix to our dystopian horror show reality then.

[–] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So they are growing doom guy.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 11 points 3 weeks ago

Baby steps towards growing a Wolfenstein guy, we'll get there. Maybe around the time they put Trump in a life support mech.

It'll be good telly, I bet.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

So we’re just going full head of steam into a combo of the torment nexus and AM

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

That's fucked up though. What happened to bioethics and review boards?

We don't understand enough about human consciousness to say that those cells aren't sentient. We have no idea what sort of experience, if any, they're perceiving.

This is not okay...

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

thats not nearly enough cells to have an internal experience, they're fine.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We don't know enough about human consciousness to know that for sure. Plenty of animals have fewer braincells than humans, but we don't know enough about their consciousness to say whether they have an internal experience.

That's what I mean. It's hubris to assume we can culture human braincells in a petri dish just because there's a lack of evidence one way or the other whether it's aware.

[–] TechLich@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

There's a lack of evidence for anything not being conscious.

Neurons work by generating electrical signals in response to stimulus (either electrical inputs from other neurons or physical/sensory inputs activated by light or touch etc.) and they do this in a physical way.

If they're conscious, then there's a pretty good chance that power plants are conscious, computers are conscious and pretty much everything else in the world is conscious.

I'm not sure there's any requirement for consciousness to include "human-like reasoning" or "understanding" for it to have some kind of experience and perspective or awareness. Humans make a lot of assumptions about the world to make it fit the patterns we're used to.

A cluster of neurons trained to play doom might have consciousness but it's not likely to think like a human, just like a rock or a plant or an ant or an iPhone might have consciousness.

Whether it's ethical to squash an ant or turn off an iPhone or stimulate a lab-grown neuron depends on your ethical framework and your philosophical worldview.

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[–] Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I suppose anyone here who believes in reincarnation is slightly worried now.

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Is this how the Borg began? Suddenly makes more sense with the outfits.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It would not know what hell is, just that humanoids are enemies.

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