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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 184 points 4 weeks ago (9 children)

For general context, the opinion piece was published April 2014. Bezos owned The WaPo at the time and had since 2013. Author is Stanford historian and archaeologist Ian Morris.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 59 points 4 weeks ago

Thanks for sharing the link in the interest of fact and transparency.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I looked at the premise of his book that this article seems to connect with, and it basically boils down to "History shows that societies becomes a lot more peaceful and productive after periods of war."

Wow, who'd've thought that things get better for the people who survive a war? It's a good thing we can apply survivorship bias to the whole of human history with such confidence like that.

So it's not that war makes things better, but that we become better off after we stop fighting? We become better off after we decide fixing our problems peacefully is a good idea? Brilliant.

It's also not true when you consider all the times war follows war and societies see decades if not centuries of decline involving numerous civil wars. On top of that, when war is not devastating for those that start it, it does not inspire them to change; rather it becomes part of their norm.

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[–] yakko@feddit.uk 20 points 4 weeks ago

He seems like not a great guy.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 19 points 4 weeks ago

WTF this is a real article

[–] sveltecider@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago

It says it right at the top ...

Artist putting the dove of peace in there should be shamed, too. Mf’er thinks they have some design porn going on there when all it is is selling out to oppressors

I will do one better and provide a link to an archived copy of the article so you all can read it for yourselves!

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[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 107 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 55 points 4 weeks ago

Us, the wealthiest owners of Raytheon and Lockheed shares. Who did you think?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 weeks ago
[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably the author of the article and the people who paid him to write it.

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[–] BinzyBoi@piefed.ca 75 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

"Democracy dies in darkness, and we're on the side of darkness"

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 42 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Democracy dies in darkness

This stopped being a warning and started being a mission statement.

[–] GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 weeks ago

Right up there with Google's "Don't be Evil"

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 weeks ago

That's why Bezos has his secret mansion on the dark side of the moon.

[–] Exec@pawb.social 54 points 4 weeks ago

Democracy died in daylight

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 44 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

So, not agreeing with the premise but: this article is from 2014, written by a legit historian, and is specifically not discussing the short term.
Their premise is effectively that war consolidates power and minimizes violence at scale inside the unified territory afterwards. Further, the things nations do to be ready for conflict, like build roads, administrative statates and all the social structures that accompany a standing army facilitate trade and prosperity.

It's less that he's arguing for war, and more just ... Describing the historical consequences of war in aggregate.

It was certainly only titled the way it was because he was publishing a book and this is more eye catching.

[–] BigMike@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Ironic that this post is trying critize propaganda while being a bit propagandish itself

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[–] zammy95@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

Did a war write this article?

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 27 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, I mean, what it said. Genocide! Love that. I respect The Washington Post and its commitment to corruption, abuse of power, and harm to kids.

[–] DandomRude@piefed.social 26 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

And this is the newspaper that played a major role in bringing Nixon down at the time... what an utter disgrace.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably not for ethical reasons but more uhh aristocratic in-group disputes/conflicts of interest.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

This right here, and he was never taken down. He voluntarily resigned and faced zero consequences.

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 23 points 4 weeks ago

I didn't even see the WaPo part of the post at first... and I didn't need to.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 weeks ago

What the fuck.

[–] Tiger_Man_@szmer.info 15 points 3 weeks ago

if by "us" they mean the billionaries behind this company then sure it does

[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Just a heads up - you don't have to self-censor names on lemmy. These are communities, not corporate servers.

Yeah, fuck Bezos! I hope him and every single billionaire fuckhead spend a decade in prison for every person they fucked over. I hope they need to actually kill themselves in prison rather than get assassinated by people who don't want them to talk. They need to meet this fate, not because they deserve it, but because society needs to get rid of them to ever recover.

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] berg@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 weeks ago

Did someone say Blowback?

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 10 points 4 weeks ago
[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 9 points 4 weeks ago

Go walk in the rain some more, you’ll dry quicker.

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Am I the only one that sees a Wehrmact soldier with an MP-40 in hand? Like... Come on.

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[–] FalschgeldFurkan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

"Yeah because after WWII there was peace!!!1"

Technically, after the war is before the war.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Of courses it does, especially when you are the world's biggest arms dealer! By far, not even China, Russia, and Germany combined, throw in UK and France, too

That's the problem.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 5 points 4 weeks ago

Pictured dove ofc carrying cluster bombs.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

At the cost of murdering others and taking what is theirs.

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Even if true, there has to be a better way to achieve safety and economic security for all. War causes losses for far too many.

ETA: grammar & clarity

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Well, shit...

Somebody turned off the lights at Washington Post then lol

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Keep in mind that this is a guest opinion, which means it is not intended to reflect the official opinion of the Washington Post—in fact, it might be the opposite, but published anyway in order to provide a diversity of viewpoints. (Personally, I do not like everyone they have chosen to platform, but it is not unreasonable for them to want to err on the side of listening to what the other side has to say to avoid creating an echo chamber.)

[–] BrickEater@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Nah fuck that, that's like posting straight Nazi gibberish and playing the "representing both sides" argument when someone calls you on it. In this day and age that whole idea can go fuck itself right into oblivion. We are all grown enough to known the difference.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I think opinion pieces are great for matters of taste.

War, on the other hand, is about life, death, money, and politics all rolled into one giant horror-show. Publishing op-ed on such a topic, on such a well-known paper, is basically elevating -whatever- to the same level of validity as actual journalism. It's a really bad show on the Post's part.

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[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Bezos changed the editorial line of the paper so that conflicting views are not allowed.

Imperialist wars are, in fact, a pillar of neoliberalism, so of course they support it. They also make you richer, as the title claims, if you're the propaganda appendage of a fascist regime, or own stocks in military corporations.

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