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Need advice on upgrading 16TB to ~50-60TB array (prices and options inside) (alien.top)

submitted 2 years ago by sofakng@alien.top to c/datahoarder@selfhosted.forum

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I need some advice on replacing my existing 16 TB array (10x2TB RAIDZ2). I don't think I need a ton of storage so I'm looking at about 3x the storage (~50-60TB) and here is what I'm considering (serverpartdeals.com):

Size	Model	Type	Price	Price/tb	No. Drives	Total Price	Usuable storage (RAIDZ2)	Total price/tb
16TB	HC530	recertified	$157	$9.8/tb	5	$785	48 TB	$16.3/tb
18TB	X18	refurbished	$161	$8.9/tb	5	$805	54 TB	$14.9/tb
18TB	X20	recertified	$179	$9.9/tb	5	$895	54 TB	$16.5/tb
~~14TB~~	~~HC530~~	~~refurbished~~	~~$128~~	~~$9.1/tb~~	~~6~~	~~$768~~	~~56 TB~~	~~$13.7/tb~~
14TB	HC530	recertified	$144	$10.2/tb	6	$864	56 TB	$15.4/tb
16TB	HC550	recertified	$157	$9.8/tb	6	$942	64 TB	$14.7/tb

* 14TB HC530 only has only available in-stock.

I'd like to continue using ZFS (RAIDZ2) and if I understand correctly, expandable RAIDZ(2) is coming soon so I'm assuming I can expand in the future if needed.

Can anybody give me any advice?

I've never used enterprise drives before and I've also never purchased refurbished or recertified but it's a lot cheaper than buying new and/or WD RED, etc.

I'm also unsure the differences between Exos and Ultrastar but I think X18 is older and so is HC530. All the drives listed have a 2-year warranty which I guess is sufficient.

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[–] abz_eng@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Here's a post on drive testing to do on the drives

[–] OurManInHavana@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

All your options are within +-$150 of each other: so I'd grab the largest-usable config. If it also happens to be the lowest $/TB... that's gravy. Pay those few extra dollars now and it may let the new setup run a couple extra years before it doesn't meet your needs anymore.

I don't stress over brand/model: parity configs take care of availability, and automated 321 backups take care of recoverability. Disks are consumables: any one of them could fail tomorrow: but you data should be immortal :)

If I'm buying new I'll look at $/TB/years-of-warranty, but for refurbs you're lucky to get a couple months so that doesn't really sway my decision.

Enjoy all your new space!

[–] Global-Front-3149@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

would be so much easier if you were using unraid :)

[–] f5alcon@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

raidz expansion has been coming soon since 2019, at least it has support from ixsystems now but still not holding my breath, and i want the feature to expand mine.

[–] Beaver_On_Fire@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Stop being lazy and just use punch cards like a real horder.

[–] Party_9001@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

expandable RAIDZ(2) is coming soon so I'm assuming I can expand in the future if needed.

It's been coming soon for years now lol

[–] Veloder@alien.top 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't choose Seagate if you value your data.

[–] mausterio@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Decade old outdated advice with no context. 👎

[–] Veloder@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, very outdated, just look at the Backblaze statistics every quarter 🤣

[–] mausterio@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Which covers only a small quantity of batches of drives 🤔

[–] readit-on-reddit@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

The overall failure for all these drives is so small that spending more money to lower failure rate by a negligible percentage is misguided and a waste of money.