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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 63 points 2 years ago (59 children)

This reads like straight propaganda, its absolutely true Hamas as stockpiles.

Know who else has stock piles of food and water? Isreal, and the UNRWA... hell the UN stockpile is sitting in trucks ready to get to the civilians.

What is the military utility of cutting food and water, then saying ... ohh look at the besieged city, look at how evil the people in the city are not sharing food and water amongst themselves. Know who else isn't sharing Food and Water inside of Israel ? The IDF!

[–] AttackPanda@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Will these terrible conditions drive the Palestinians to force their government to release the hostages? I think that is the question that so many people are wondering. I don’t know enough about the crisis to speculate on an answer so I pose the question, what does anyone think it will take for them to release the hostages?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 6 points 2 years ago

killing uninvolved civilians wont force anyone to release hostages, it is Hamas plan to get more civilians killed which bolsters their mission, recruitment, and global recognition.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

the UNRWA

Separating the UNRWA from Hamas is pedantic and meaningless at this point. They have been totally co-opted by Hamas.

What is the military utility of cutting food and water

They cut off their own aid. No country provides aid to the state they are actively at war with. Dozens of aid trucks are indeed entering Gaza from other countries.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Hamas controls the UN? That is a strong position

But sure, lets go with it, Then Hamas has food, water, medicine ready for the civilians in Gaza, waiting in trucks sitting in Egypt waiting to cross. Which is what Israel wants them to do, right? Supply their own citizens....

[–] shatal@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hamas has food, water, medicine ready for the civilians in Gaza, waiting in trucks sitting in Egypt

The food, water and resources are in the Hamas tunnels in Gaza, not in Egypt.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 9 points 2 years ago

The person I was responding to said the UNRWA was controlled by Hamas, which would make the UNRWA supply convoys stuck in Egypt part of Hamas as well, meaning that Hamas is trying to supply the civilians...

Its ludicrous, so I was demonstrating to the grandparent poster why their position was incorrect by taking it at face value and going to its logical conclusion

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[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So cutting of food and water doesnt even hurt Hamas it's just to be cruel to civilians?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

From the total war doctrine, it does hurt Hamas, putting pressure on the civil government will hurt the ability to conduct war.

Their used to be a theory that you could break the fighting spirit of a people with embargos and bombings, but it fell out of favor in wwii.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

*after wwii. Goebbels most famous words are "Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?" from his speech at the Berliner Sportpalast in 1943. But even after wwii the US bombing campaigns and massacres in Korea and Vietnam still stem from a total war doctrine. It never really went away.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 2 years ago

When all you have is a hammer.... I'm not sure it ever worked to break the fighting spirit.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 9 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Hamas has hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel for vehicles and rockets; caches of ammunition, explosives and materials to make more; and stockpiles of food, water and medicine, the officials said.

The Arab and Western officials who described Hamas’s supply situation all spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were disclosing information gleaned from human sources, communications intercepts and other streams of intelligence.

While the blockade has left Gaza’s roughly 2 million people scraping by with what little food and water they scrounge up, it does not yet appear to have begun to degrade Hamas’s ability to fight.

Israel has so far refused to allow any fuel to be delivered to Gaza, even as other aid begins to trickle in, leaving much of the enclave without electricity to power hospitals, desalinate or pump water, fire bakers’ ovens and run internet and cellphone services.

The United Nations, which handles the bulk of humanitarian relief work in Gaza, said on Thursday that it “has almost exhausted its fuel reserves and begun to significantly reduce its operations.”

Yocheved Lifshitz, 85, a freed hostage, said that while in captivity she ate the same single meal that Hamas fighters eat every day: pita bread with two kinds of cheese and cucumber.


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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 years ago
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