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[–] RalfWausE@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Well, as an addition to all the calls for switching to Linux:

Its completely doable to install Windows 11 on unsupported Hardware, using an official ISO from Microsoft and letting the Rufus imager apply a few changes and Win 11 should run on hardware that is about 10 years old or a bit older (i think i have heard Microsoft has removed support for the Core2 generation of CPUs). If you want to get a really clean install the best tool is - i think - tiny11builder which cleans up an official ISO and makes the whole experience of running this OS on older hardware way more pleasant.

Currently i have a test system (a laptop) with an Celeron N3010 and 4 GB RAM on my desk at work running Windows 11 modified by tiny11builder and it is - while not exactly fast - absolutely useable for classical office tasks.

[–] SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I like linux and I use it (Raspbian, Zorin, Ubuntu, Arch: diff machines). I also enjoy using Win 8.1 on my Lenovo M93p Tiny (8GB ram), as a Playnite appliance / console. This allows me to play emulated games (Wii, Gamecube, PS2, to about 1.5-2x upscale), ~2013ish era AAA titles (Fallout 3, Just Cause 2, Dead Rising 2, GTA IV) and select indy games (like Donut County, Untitled Goose Game, EXO ONE) all from one device.

Normally, the advice would be to use something like Bazzite or Batocera (and I agree!)...but given the hardware limitations and the "it just runs" nature of these older Window games (under windows) I've had better experiences sticking to Win 8.1.

YMMV but the "switch to linux cause windows too old" thing has some shades of gray.

[–] Ashiette@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If you play on a machine that is not connected to internet, then by all means there is no reason to switch. But of you are connected to the internet, then those system pose security risks and you would be better off having an up to date system. If Win 10 wasn't EOL then maybe the advice to upgrade to Win10 would be solid.

[–] SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world 1 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 29 minutes ago)

Possibly...but I think some of that depends too on what is meant by "online." Obviously, if you frequent questionable sites and install unvetted software, that’s a bad idea. OTOH, having a machine with strict firewall rules (so not everything can just phone home), limited outbound access, no daily browsing/email, and only going online occasionally for specific, known downloads is a different situation than using it as a general-purpose internet PC.

Even occasional access to a small number of mainstream, HTTPS-authenticated sites (e.g., major services where the browser can verify certificates) isn’t the same exposure as wide-open browsing. (nb: Firefox’s ESR releases have historically helped extend browser security support on older systems for a while, which can reduce risk somewhat - though obviously not indefinitely.)

Look, I’m not arguing that EOL systems are “safe.” They’re not getting patches. But exposure matters. A mostly appliance-like gaming box that’s segmented and tightly controlled isn’t the same risk profile as someone’s primary web machine.

ICBW and YMMV.

[–] dismay3915@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

One of the main places windows is used, like it or not, are organizations and companies. Especially small ones. Specially ones that are not in wealthy countries. And the only thing that keeps them from switching to linux is microsoft office. (Most importantly Word, excel).

My company has ~20 people and I would switch them over to linux if it wasn't for word and excel.

While libreoffice is great on it's own, companies send eachother xlsx and docx files. And libreoffice isnt great at reading or writing them. Specially complex ones. I don't think it's much of libre office's fault, but more the shitty incompatible, unstandardized microsoft formats.

Currently I'm the only Linux user in the team, and I constantly advocate Linux, but I know if anybody switches, compatibility with microsoft office is going to be a problem. I can take the risk with the tech team but not the office section (hr, sales, secretary accounting etc.) really.

[–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 3 points 3 hours ago

Microsoft dominance in businesses is part of what's making me think all businesses are in cahoots with each other to make sure the only businesses that are successful are ones that take power away from the public.

[–] sonofearth@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Try onlyoffice and slowly try to shift to libreoffice with open document formats. Or just skip that part and move everyone to the web versions of office. Also if you guys are on office 2010, the last time I ran it via wine, it worked completely fine.

[–] dismay3915@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

No you cannot shift to open document formats because you can't send an odt file to another company. They will not know what it is. In the enterprise world you have to "send them the word" or "the excel".

[–] ShouldIHaveFun@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'm most case you provably want to just send the document as PDF, don't you? For which use case do you want to send an editable document to another company?

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

It's called collaboration. When I worked as a toolmaker, I needed to use SolidWorks, despite not being a big fan, because our customers used SW and they were often literally on the other side of the planet.

[–] Uplink@programming.dev 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Man I feel you and I know it's just how things are. But I often ask myself the following question: Why are lots of office workers so bad with computers? It's the tool they use for 1/3 of working day in their life. Just like a craftsman should learn to use their tools. No, instead they always act like it's something only tech guys should know about.

[–] Lorka@feddit.dk 1 points 1 hour ago

An electrician drives around in their van full of their tools. They are expert in their tools, but some can’t even change a tire on the van.

It’s the same with office jobs. You use a bunch of tools on the computer, but the computer isn’t necessarily a part of your tool set, it’s your vehicle.

[–] AgentBoom@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Did you try OnlyOffice? I heard it has good compatibility with Microsoft Office's files, it's available on almost every OS, and looks easy to use. However, I'm not sure if you can create very complex documents like with Office.

[–] dismay3915@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's good but not great. The documents will still get messed up and look wierd sometimes.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

That's the rub isn't it. It's good, but not quite good enough all the time, every time.

[–] rickywithanm@aussie.zone 3 points 9 hours ago

This is the same thing that keeps my parents on windows. I do agree it’s not libre offices fault

[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 29 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I’m not very techie, so when I took my brand new Lenovo (cheap) laptop from w11 to Linux mint, it really felt like an achievement. I haven’t used a command terminal since college, and I straight up made a bootable usb and wiped w11

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago

Nice!!! But I feel those entry distros could do a lot more to be more user friendly, there are many edge cases where you still need to use a terminal and have some understanding of the OS. We need a truly GUI only distro with more wizards, and automatic repair so more people flee to Gnu/Linux

[–] rickywithanm@aussie.zone 4 points 9 hours ago

Hell yeah brother

[–] xvertigox@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

Nice, that's sick. I'm soft modding my Wii atm and it also feels good.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 32 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If you're still hanging on to old hardware. Linux is the way to go baby

[–] naticus@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

At this point, if you have hardware, Linux is a good choice. New or old. The older it is might change which distro, but still a good choice.

[–] hitstun@feddit.online 46 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

The PC Gamer article's title also says "upgrade or". That's a heck of a detail to editorialize out of the title.

From the Mozilla post it cites:

After this, no security updates will be provided and you are strongly encouraged to upgrade to a supported Microsoft Windows version.

Or, if your current hardware can't handle Windows 10 or higher for some reason, you can switch to a Linux-based operating system. The vast majority of Linux distributions come with Firefox as the default browser.

I agree switching to Linux is the better option. I want to try Bazzite.

[–] kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Bazzite's excellent, just be aware going in that it's an immutible distro and some stuff may be different than you're used to.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It will be different anyway, as it is a completely different operating system that has nothing in common with windows.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Windows is mutable. That’s likely what they are referring to.

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[–] ubergeek77@lemmy.ubergeek77.chat 5 points 13 hours ago

Bazzite is amazing, nearly bulletproof even?

I had a few times where it booted to the grub emergency shell, but it literally just fixed itself. Just reboot and it uses the other A/B slot. And the next update attempt just fixes whatever the problem was. That's only happened twice in the last 5 months since I switched. Most longtime Linux users should be very familiar with the grub emergency shell, but I've never been on a distro where it just fixes itself. I don't ever have to think or worry about updates, it's just a reliable daily driver. It's sick.

As people have said, Bazzite is immutable. You can install system packages/libraries if you absolutely need to, but you really should run your custom stuff in a Distrobox instead. Distrobox is preinstalled, supports graphical apps automatically, and most of the time you won't even notice it's not your real OS.

I think Bazzite is more stable and usable than Windows now. I'm tempted to switch my parents to it, it's been much more fault tolerant than Windows 11.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, Linux is an afterthought, but I'm glad that they brought it up at all. They could've mentioned how Linux is more privacy-conscious than Windows, but that might've opened them up to a lawsuit.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"Most browsers, including Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge, have already ended support for Windows 7, 8 and 8.1."

To me Millions of flies can't be wrong: eat shit. is a crappy argument but at least they're

"If your current hardware can't handle Windows 10 or higher for some reason, you can switch to a Linux-based operating system. The vast majority of Linux distributions come with Firefox as the default browser."

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 12 hours ago

I mean, it's a lot of work to make security updates for a browser on an operating system that doesn't get security updates anymore. Why spend money fixing the weapons on a sinking ship?

[–] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 186 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Already on Linux.

Life is good 👍

[–] IratePirate@feddit.org 33 points 23 hours ago

Made the switch when Windows 7 went EOL. Helped plenty of others make the switch now before 10 was killed off. Life is good indeed.

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[–] BoomBoomBoomBoom@lemmings.world 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Windows is so shit. Glad I switched, everything works so much better (and faster) on Linux.

[–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 76 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Pretty sure Mozilla has the numbers on how many installations each OS has, so it’s probably a legitimate decision. HOWEVER, if they want to maintain their position on Linux, I highly recommend changing the default behavior of Ctrl+Shift+C to match how it works in Helium, where it simply copies the selected content instead of opening Developer Mode, which cannot be closed again using the same keystroke.

[–] reisub@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 1 day ago (6 children)

You can change that in about:keyboard in the new Firefox versions

[–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 70 points 1 day ago

Absolutely, all behavior can be changed somehow. But the default defines the product :)

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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 16 hours ago

95 was the last good windows i said what i said

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