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A widespread concern is what would happen to Dutch weapon systems if the Americans were to withdraw completely as an ally. For example, Dutch F-35 aircraft are dependent on American software updates. Yet, Tuinman isn't particularly worried about this.

"The F-35 is truly a shared product. The British make the Rolls-Royce engines, and the Americans simply need them too." And even if this mutual dependency doesn't result in software updates, the F-35, in its current state, is still a better aircraft than other types of fighters.

If you still want to upgrade despite everything, I'm going to say something I should never say, but I will anyway: you can jailbreak an F-35 just like an iPhone. (Crack it with your own software, ed.)

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[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago

The future is vibe coders getting jobs creating plausible, yet fundamentally broken firmware updates to OTA brick F-35 fighter jets.

Come attack us, I dare you. Jack here used his prompting skills to package some Stack Overflow RUST code into Golang binaries that another prompt converted into XHTML so another prompt could compile it into a Bash script to fix the bug in flight controls. Come within 50-nautical miles and we'll OTA update your plane so hard you wish we fired missiles at you!

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 35 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Install Graphene on it lol

[–] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 23 points 15 hours ago

Graphene Devs: We can’t support it because it doesn’t have a Titan M Chip blah blah blah

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Please keep buying our jets bro

We spent $1 trillion to make them bro, we need these to work bro

We'll iron out all he bugs, trust us bro

It's the best jet ever made bro, it's killed so many Palestinians and Iranians bro

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

I'm still waiting for them to use the F-35 against an actual competent adversary with an actual airforce, but I think the only possibility would be China.

Maybe Pakistan if India buys the F-35, but even they know its a Lockheed money scam.

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 61 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I don't want to be the guy to tell my boss I've bricked the F-35

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah... Fighter jets don't really get bricked.

A brick is when you've messed something up to the point where the hardware doesn't boot and the only possible solution would be to pull out a rom chip and replace it with one with factory settings, but that's too hard and not worth doing.

But that's the thing, with the F-35, it'll never be not worth doing. It could be a $5000 setback... But whatever.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 hours ago

Modern airplanes, especially military, are Uber complex, and mostly made of bespoke components, and take decades and billions to develop. The idea that $5000 will pay for replacing a core component or system is just plain preposterous.

Just look at the fun Russia is having sourcing spares to keep commercial western jets flying, despite having one of the world's most capable aviation industries.

[–] hcbxzz@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

You're assuming they'll still sell you parts after you tried to bypass the locks

[–] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 14 points 20 hours ago

Even broke the warranty seal over the USB port.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 24 points 18 hours ago

Upon hearing this news I ordered a F-35 from Ali Express but they sent me a J-35 instead. Does the jailbreak still work on this device or am I stuck with the stock software? What's the character for landing gear again?

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 57 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (8 children)

imagine flying a jailbroken fighter plane that gets an over-the-air update that bricks the controls

just get the gripen

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 36 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Something tells me fighter planes don’t get updates from anything other than a computer plugged directly into them.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 13 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

In production since 2006 and of course they were designing the things earlier than that, so....

Wouldn't be surprised if it's like some cars of the late 90's and early 00's and you need a computer with an RS-232 port to connect to a multiplexer of some sort that connects to the plane

E.g to get full dealer level access to old Mercedes cars, you'd need one of these:

And a laptop with RS-232 running Windows XP (can be on a VM)

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That would seem like an awful idea that would be a dangerous security risk to the fighter.

So they probably did it anyway.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Well, let me be the one to surprise you and tell you that this is exactly how software and encryption keys are loaded onto the aircraft.

At no time would any combat aircraft have an operating system which even has the capability to receive software updates wirelessly, that would be an incredible vulnerability during wartime.

It requires a specific device that looks like it was made in the 1980s and deletes itself if it is bumped too hard and this device has to be directly connected to NSA controlled infrastructure in order to be loaded with any updates. The resulting material is loaded onto the device and physically carried by an Airman in the wing's comm squadron and they are escorted by at least one other service member from the secure terminal where it was loaded directly to the aircraft.

It's uploaded via internal connections (which may or may not look to be from the 80s) which are accessed by a maintenance hatch on the belly of the plane. Once the hatch is closed, if it is opened again at any point the aircraft will dump all of the key material and the resulting party will have a lot of paperwork and counseling to deal with and some other set of airmen will have to repeat the entire process all over again.

This has to be done for pretty much every flight, the aircraft cannot even start without this package of key materials and software. This process is fairly standard and used on a lot of equipment, as most equipment needs keying materials to function due to all of the datalink and/or telemetry systems.

It is likely that the Secretary of Defense was referring to their understanding of how this system operates and how they have scientists and engineers and the resources to reverse engineer any components. They have intact and working copies that they can tear apart and none of these systems are magic, they're just secret and obtaining an intact war plane to reverse engineer is incredibly difficult in normal times. The Dutch have plenty of intact war planes to study.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 9 points 18 hours ago

"ATTENTION! Your jet has been hacked by MilitaryGod Tech Team[LOL]. Your radios and controls have been disabled. Do not attempt to eject. Please send 10 bitcoin to wallet 214d93120cd3192ea019ab03928f1fa03 immediately to unlock your controls. If we do not receive payment in 15 minutes, all weapons onboard will be launched at nearby friendly targets. Thank you for your prompt attention to this urgent matter. Have a nice day!"

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[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 16 points 18 hours ago

I didn't know our state secretary was a Warthunder enthousiast.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

The racist sack of shit, Hegseth, will have his sick fucknut friend, Doug Wilson (Christian Nationalist), bless each F-35. I hope one of you posts the Pentagon Prayer service given by the fucking lunatics.

If I had the F-35 in my inventory, I would hire a bunch of hackers to prepare the aircraft's software for the just in case moment.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 6 points 15 hours ago

The only thing that is certain, is that the logistics chain of the F-35 can easily break down. It is best for the EU to rely on a chain that is fully within their custody.

[–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 144 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Next F35-frimware-dump on Piratebay:

  [ RELEASE INFORMATION ]
  -------------------------------------------------------------------
  NAME......: F-35_Series_FW_Utility
  VERSION...: v2.4.0-OPEN
  DATE......: 2026-05-04
  PLATFORM..: Embedded Linux / RTOS
  TYPE......: Firmware Dump & Tools
  SIZE .....: 14.2 GB (840x50MB)
  ORIGIN....: Internal Flash (SPI/NAND)

  [ DESCRIPTION ]
  -------------------------------------------------------------------
  This package contains a jailbreaked binary dump of the flight 
  controller. Included are scripts for:
  
  * Hex-signature verification
  * Partition table analysis
  * File system extraction and flashing
  
  [ INSTALLATION / USAGE ]
  -------------------------------------------------------------------
  1. Ensure your Fighter jet is in USB-Debugging mode.
  2. Run 'python3 F35_jailbreak_flash.py --check-signatures'
  3. Take Off
  
  CAUTION: Modifying firmware can result in a bricked device
  or "Fly-Away" scenarios. Use at your own risk.

  [ GREETS ]
  -------------------------------------------------------------------
  To the researchers, the tinkerer community, and all those 
  who believe in the right to repair and modify their hardware.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------
             "Information wants to be free."```
[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

You wouldn't download a ~~car~~ fighter jet's custom firmware

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 18 points 20 hours ago

I was picturing more like a custom ROM on XDA: "Bugs? You tell me."

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (5 children)

Flashing failed 5 minutes in, and now an upside down jet with a big yellow ! coming out of the belly is on the screen. Did I brick my F-35 or is it recoverable?

[–] MatSeFi@lemmy.liebeleu.de 12 points 21 hours ago

Depends on your altitude..

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[–] Winter_Oven@piefed.social 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

tell me more about the "Fly-Away" scenarios

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[–] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

If you can jailbreak it, Tuinman, Vlad can jailbreak it.

[–] Chivera@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] talentedkiwi@sh.itjust.works 41 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

In the most literal sense.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

Right to repair my F-35!

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago

What about replacement parts? Just cut your losses & get something not made by fascists.

[–] Emi@ani.social 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And here I thought the military would want their stuff to work without software updates and be open source.

[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

What sounds better, LibreJet or Free35?

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

The military wants the best equipment, and currently in terms of specs that is the F-35.

That comes with a dependence on the United States, which at the time of purchasing these jets was not considered to be a particular concern because America is a good ally and a part of NATO.

Following Trump's re-election and antics over Greenland, that calculation is now different. It might not be worth it to buy new F-35s at this point (though Germany seems to be considering it still), but the Dutch army has pre-existing F-35s which we should be able to use even if America doesn't want us to for whatever reason.

At this point for the purchase of new jets we really should be looking at the new Eurofighter though, imo

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

So basically, its enshittification.

... but with a multi role stealth aircraft.

Its very funny to me that all the people who make all the decisions and rules around how software should work... are finding out that when everything hss software in it, well, everything has software in it.

Personally I'm waiting for more custom ROMs or whatever for cars.

Oh yeah this car is unlocked, you just actually get all the features, no need to pay Ford or GM or BMW on an perpetual basis for your heated seats.

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