A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] RalfWausE@feddit.org 2 points 55 minutes ago

Its funny… regardless if its the Web of old, IRC channels, a real life small gardening commune (Kleingartenverein) or now here on the Fediverse - there will always be petty wars to be fought. Perhaps its part of the “human experience”, who knows…

[–] RalfWausE@feddit.org 1 points 56 minutes ago

Its funny... regardless if its the Web of old, IRC channels, a real life small gardening commune (Kleingartenverein) or now here on the Fediverse - there will always be petty wars to be fought. Perhaps its part of the "human experience", who knows...

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world -5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's sad to see dbzer0 slowly creeping towards authoritarianism. This is exactly the kind of reason I couoldn't entertain making it my primary instance unfortunately.

[–] Cantaloupe@lemmy.fedioasis.cc 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, it was decided with a vote. The majority in that server wanted Feddit blocked and that’s what came.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world -5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ah yes because nothing authoritarian was ever implemented through a vote...

Personally, I voted against on my db0 account, the top voted comments explain pretty thoroughly why.

[–] Cantaloupe@lemmy.fedioasis.cc 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Voting to block a domain and having that domain blocked isn’t comparable to electing an authoritarian leader. Dbzer0 can choose who to and not to federate with. Users who don’t like that move to another instance easily.

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world -3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Voting to block a domain and having that domain blocked isn’t comparable to electing an authoritarian leader.

Nobody has said that? What it does is remove the choice from each individual, which is authoritarian, even if done via majority vote. There was nothing stopping those who wanted the domain blocked to do that themselves.

[–] Cantaloupe@lemmy.fedioasis.cc 4 points 46 minutes ago

I just don’t see it as authoritarian. Wasn’t on a whim, it was voted, and the majority voted to defederate. Does it remove user choice, sure I guess., but so does any form of moderation.

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 21 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I didn’t notice c/europe was zionists. I just typed israel, I see highly (legitimately) upvoted posts against it.

I’m sure you can find some unsavory stuff, but I haven’t stumbled upon it once.

On the other hand I’ve been confronted to authoritarian bootlickers too many times from ml. If you don’t defederate from them too then you’re not being consistent.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 6 points 12 hours ago

You should read the examples give by db0. They are using the term Zionist for anyone with nuanced takes. The accusations are almost slanderous and feddit was not asked for their side before starting the vote.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 25 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

This thread even 18 hrs later:

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 13 hours ago

I'm just wondering how long the mods or world admins let it go. Usually they kill things like this quickly unless it's something attacking ml

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there).

Thank you for recognizing statesia my ego gets a little wonky if it goes unnoticed

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, yeah, "They removed my comment where I'm just an asshole and telling people to kill themselves, they are such zionists 😭"

The fuck is wrong with you guys?

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The regular: too much internet, not enough grass being touched.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 18 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

lemmy.ml has multiple posts today about how everyone who disagrees with them is nazi or pedophiles.

such 'open-minded' types they are.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

When I was new to Lemmy, I wanted to get memes, and the migration tool suggested the memes on lemmy.ml. It didn't take long before my first comment disagreeing with some tankie over USSR and chinese communism got removed for "Civility". It was a normal, non-insulting comment in expectance of a normal conversation.
You cannot criticise China's treatment of the Uyghurs without getting your comments removed and almost everyone with a .ml-account I've encountered denied the crimes and genocides of USSR, the Russian Federation and China, and this denial is enforced by mods and admins.
I'm really wondering what db0-admins think about defeserating lemmy.ml though.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

they issue is that the lemmy.ml is the lemmy devs instance... and the devs are tankies themselves.

A lot of people don't use lemmy specifically because of the devs politics. and are on other platforms like piefed.

Personally I don't condemn products because of the actions/beliefs of their creators, former or present. I don't practice guilt/shame by association and I think doing so is incredibly toxic behavior. But I'm zionist scum for owning a Soda Stream anyway or something. Probably also for the fact I socialize/date jewish people and israelis regularly in my life.

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