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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I agree valves platform moderation is terrible but getting upset over some negative reviews from "charlietweet" and "toowoke" is bubblewrap levels of soft.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

If I'm not mistaken devs have the ability to remove inflammatory comments or mark reviews as being irrelevant to be scrubbed.

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[–] missingno@fedia.io 92 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Steam has a serious problem with a lack of moderation, which has made it a very attractive platform for fascists. Gamergate never ended, and remember that began with Steve Bannon realizing he could exploit gamer outrage to push propaganda. They keep inventing new scandals to repeat their past success.

One of my favorite games had a very minor patch to revise some cringier elements from early in the game's lifespan. Years later, the forum is still unusuable because it's been colonized by right-wing weirdos with 0.3 hours on record who have dedicated their lives to crying about a game they never cared about pre-patch, because they saw it as an opportunity to push their propaganda.

[–] Zanshi@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] missingno@fedia.io 16 points 3 days ago
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and we don’t try to moderate reviews based on accuracy

Than, it's not a review, it's a social media feed. Calling that a review would imply that it must have passed some check. If there is none, it's a post, on a social media. Even than they'd try to moderate that if they cared.

Removing reviews, the response claimed, could be seen as “censorship”.

Fact checkig and moderation isn't censorship, it's moderation.

Recourse for developers is limited. Some are looking into their own security, shoring up protections for developers on their team against being doxxed or hacked by trolls. Or, in the case of the developers of Caves of Qud, paying their own moderators to handle forums and the hate that spills out of Steam

Which is guess for small teams or single devs is less feasable the less resources they have. That is to say, you're alone out there.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Part of the reason I don't play many multi-player games is the idiocy and racism

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It does get tiresome going to steam threads and seeing the same copy pasted "don't ruin the game with woke shit" post up voted to the top.

There's a pencil thin line between farming clown emoji and overt bigotry getting pumped to the top of the reviews section by bad faith actors.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

It does get tiresome going to steam threads and seeing the same copy pasted “don’t ruin the game with woke shit” post up voted to the top.

I don't think I've read a steam forum post in close to a decade, and even then it was a very niche thing I was looking for. I have long since stopped feeling any enjoyment or novelty in seeing completely random people's thoughts, since in the last few years particularly, people have no intention to communicate and broadly just want attention, which has become monetized so the problem is far worse than it used to be.

Seriously, at some point we're going to have to accept that the internet is dead or too close to death to be useful for interacting with other humans. I think we all need to stop communicating online on forums and discord and the like, it's all become weaponized and not enough people are left without agendas and campaigns they're trying to push. Let's go back to how we did it for thousands of years and just talk to each other and make real-world friends, leave the assholes and shills and sock-puppets to fight among themselves.

Imagine the power we will have if all the scum and assholes become the inferior population scared to actually do anything or go outside and we become owners of the day and become the ambulatory force towards goals and social progress.

[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Steam forums are about game mechanics, advice and tech support right? Or am I being filtered the on-topic stuff?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think we all need to stop communicating online on forums and discord and the like

They said while communicating online on social media.

No need to stop doing it, just be selective about it.

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[–] tb_@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

They removed the clown reaction, as well as the ability to get points for receiving reactions.
If that ever was an excuse, it no longer is.

[–] zecg@lemmy.world 111 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

bigoted reviews posted on games’ Steam pages, which can hugely affect sales for their developers; and Steam curators (self-appointed taste-makers on the platform) directing campaigns against games they perceive to lean left or pursue inclusion.

This fucking shit again. Reviews affect sales? Well, good. You don't get to carefully select a few most-read outlets who'll give you the thumb up. Also, chud curators are "directing" only those who follow them. This argument is about a failing industry that'd like to control what can be said about their products. Make no mistake, Steam's openness in this regard is, for me as a customer at least, added value.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 141 points 4 days ago (7 children)

To be perfectly honest, the odds of me buying a game are significantly higher if I see reviews about “toxic femininity” or “woke politics”

I use those "wokism tiers" that you usually see from bigoted idiots to check out new games that I'll probably like

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

That is literally how I discovered Signalis. It was included in one of those anti-woke curators' "not recommended" list, then I saw that it was an indie title, and overwhelmingly positive... I was sold immediately.

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I occasionally go through the lists posted by chud curators for small indie titles that would have escaped my notice. I don't have time to scrutinize every title on Steam, but these guys seemingly have infinite time to ensure every unheard of title with a case of LGBTQ+ representation gets criticism from them. Ironically, they're fantastic for finding small, progressive passion projects I would have otherwise missed.

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[–] radiouser@crazypeople.online 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I've tried contacting gaming press about this. I contacted Valve (several times) citing their own rules, screenshots of blatant transgressions and they repeatedly closed my ticket and ignored me. I avoid buying games directly from Steam now. If I can find the screenshots later I'll update my post.

Edit: So here is the ticket I opened (this was -months- after repeatedly reporting someone spamming the N-word in the Official Steam Deck group chat for weeks).

Valve customer support is the best, hurrr derrrr

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 69 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Steam provides the forums; not mods. The developers are supposed to moderate their forums. The only forums I actually see moderated are the Steam specific ones (like the support board). Game specific ones are hit or miss. Most devs just seem to ignore that they even exist.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago (14 children)

The main reason Valve doesn’t step in on these is they have a firm philosophy of giving the community the tools to form their own outcomes, rather than directing them in every issue. So they might be dissatisfied with people writing “Woke TRASH!” braindead reviews, but also not want to take action on them.

The least they’ve done is remove the clown award so people have less incentive to troll. But I’d also like them to implement community blocklists; If you nag a game for “Having/not having LGBT representation”, you go on a blocklist 90% of the community is using.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 26 points 4 days ago

They also famously allow you to work on whatever you want, I doubt many Valve employees want to spend their days cleaning shit like that

[–] Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

The Steam forums have been full of Nazis for years now. The employees and Newell are just accepting or even embracing the fact that they give fascists a platform

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 35 points 3 days ago (16 children)

For anybody saying "it's not a problem, just moderate it yourself", look at Relooted's steam forum. There are more than 700 threads there and most of them are really not kind. Tell me how you're going to moderate that.

Just put yourself in the shoes of game publishers or studios that make a game which goes against the grind and gets attacked like Relooted is being attacked. Would you want to employ somebody just to moderate the forums? Should the onus be on the forum owners or should it be on the forum providers (Valve)? Do you think this has no effect on the types of games being released?

I mean, look at this game Tyrone vs Cops 2. Is this OK? What do you think the forum discussions look like. Are they OK? If it's only devs that should moderate their forums, that means the KKK could make game about water lillies and then have their forums be the meeting ground for white power discussions. They won't be offended after-all. That's OK?

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 days ago

For anyone else not familiar, here's the first line of Relooted's description:

Reclaim real African artifacts from Western museums in this Africanfuturist heist game.

The forum is full of exactly what you'd expect.

[–] missingno@fedia.io 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The reason it got this bad was because they didn't nip it in the bud sooner. If they had been more proactive from the start, there wouldn't be 700+ threads.

At this point, just nuke them all and ban everyone who made a bigoted troll thread. It's gonna be a game of whack-a-mole for a little while, but once you start handing out bans, the trolling will start die down.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 4 days ago (17 children)

for a more recent example, the negative reviews under Relooted are fucking sickening. one of the top ones is a joke making fun of George Floyd’s death.

what does steam do? nothing. valve is one of the most profitable companies per employee out there, and they have no pressure from investors to botch their work, they could absolutely moderate.

they actively choose not to, because despite what bootlickers on lemmy would have you believe, gabe newell is a libertarian dipshit who values "free speech" over the safety of marginalized people.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago (4 children)

There are guidelines on Steam that ban such content, and you can report people for violating them.

So no, Steam does not do "nothing" as you claim. A very basic Internet search can confirm that.

Even better, users can rate reviews as helpful or unhelpful. Which is great for a wider variety of reasons, but is also good for reviews that get into a grey area or use dog whistles to hide their true intentions.

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[–] purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone 22 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Reminder that The Guardian is a dogshit paper that pretty much systematically misgender trans people and keeps tripling down on backing up TERFs. You don't get to talk shit about the bigots when you're among them.

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